b*******2
发帖数: 2121 | 1 【 以下文字转载自 WaterWorld 讨论区 】
发信人: better222 (小凸崽子), 信区: WaterWorld
标 题: 法律疑问：关于reasonable doubt？
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Jul 17 22:46:32 2011, 美东)
关于这个reasonable doubt。非常的有意思。我也有一些不解。
看了boston legal，有这样一个案子：
嫌疑犯A的血液，精液，指纹在犯罪现场到处都是。似乎证据确凿。不过辩方律师提出
，说受害人的丈夫B也在犯罪现场出现过。所以存在reasonable doubt。B也可能是杀人
凶手。
结果陪审团同意这个reasonable doubt的存在，没办法排除B 的可能。无法完全证实就
是A。然后A被无罪释放。
我现在有几个疑问：
1。A被释放后，还能不能被重新起诉？虽然这次不能定罪，但是他毕竟是最最有嫌疑的
人之一，也不能完全排除不是他干的。如果之后发现更加确凿的证据，比如有录像显示
是他干的；或者他良心发现，自首说是自己干的。
2。既然B 也有嫌疑，假设他也被调查，被审讯，然后上庭。他同样可以... 阅读全帖 |
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b*******2
发帖数: 2121 | 2 关于这个reasonable doubt。非常的有意思。我也有一些不解。
看了boston legal，有这样一个案子：
嫌疑犯A的血液，精液，指纹在犯罪现场到处都是。似乎证据确凿。不过辩方律师提出
，说受害人的丈夫B也在犯罪现场出现过。所以存在reasonable doubt。B也可能是杀人
凶手。
结果陪审团同意这个reasonable doubt的存在，没办法排除B 的可能。无法完全证实就
是A。然后A被无罪释放。
我现在有几个疑问：
1。A被释放后，还能不能被重新起诉？虽然这次不能定罪，但是他毕竟是最最有嫌疑的
人之一，也不能完全排除不是他干的。如果之后发现更加确凿的证据，比如有录像显示
是他干的；或者他良心发现，自首说是自己干的。
2。既然B 也有嫌疑，假设他也被调查，被审讯，然后上庭。他同样可以说reasonable
doubt 的存在，说有可能是A。假设陪审团也同意这个存在，他也被无罪释放。那岂不
是说，就算大家都知道杀人犯是A和B中的一人，但是不能排除一个，就无法顶任何人的
罪了？
3。如果2的假设成立。那以后谁要犯罪的时候，只要约好两个人一起。只要自己不承认
，然后指... 阅读全帖 |
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n****n
发帖数: 492 | 3 Definition: absolutely sure/certain, with no doubt at all
Note: Some people say "beyond a shadow of a doubt."
ding: Are you sure? Are spring and summer still the BM here?
sr : Yes. Beyond the shadow of a doubt.
(two men are gossiping)
lwzhi : Is that ppmm really pregnant?
wharton: Beyond the shadow of a doubt. I heard it is over 3 months already. |
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n******n
发帖数: 12088 | 4 【 以下文字转载自 EEInvestor 俱乐部 】
发信人: newgumin (新股民), 信区: EEInvestor
标 题: LDK $12.6M to 4Q 'doubtful recoveries' zz
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Jul 1 01:19:51 2010, 美东)
SUNNYVALE, Calif. (AP) -- LDK Solar Co., which makes wafers for solar cells,
said Wednesday it will need to account another $12.6 million for "doubtful
recoveries," in the fourth quarter of 2009, that is, money it may not
receive.
The company said the additional provision for doubtful recoveries was based
on updated information about its cus |
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v*****t
发帖数: 194 | 5 想后退了？ 是谁再一直跟我纠缠 beyond reasonable doubt?
发信人: ssri (whocares), 信区: WaterWorld
标 题: Re: 判一个强奸犯都只要beyond reasonable doubt.
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Feb 1 21:23:25 2014, 美东)
呵呵，你堆的可能性达不到beyond reasonable doubt, 有bias的人才会认为够了。特
别是网络justice fighters.
好像信徒用faith来跳过逻辑尽头的鸿沟。 |
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v*****t
发帖数: 194 | 6 呵呵. 想后退了？ 是你再一直跟我纠缠 beyond reasonable doubt.
发信人: ssri (whocares), 信区: WaterWorld
标 题: Re: 判一个强奸犯都只要beyond reasonable doubt.
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Feb 1 21:23:25 2014, 美东)
呵呵，你堆的可能性达不到beyond reasonable doubt, 有bias的人才会认为够了。特
别是网络justice fighters.
好像信徒用faith来跳过逻辑尽头的鸿沟。 |
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c******r
发帖数: 889 | 7 This movie is an adoption of a famed theatrical play of the same name. The
acting of Streep and Hoffman is superb, especially the climax scene in
Streep's office.
The author/director deliberately left the audience hanging, without giving a
definitive answer to the question in everyone's mind, echoing the title "
Doubt". The story started with a sister's doubt, ended in a larger fog of
doubt.
Any interpenetration is a valid one as long as it makes sense to you.Audience's reception and interpenetr |
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f********4
发帖数: 2883 | 8 庭审检方的呈堂供证已经结束。章颖颖被预谋杀害死亡已经证据确凿，证明无疑,
proven beyond reasonable doubt.
藤森原本计划要杀人脱罪的，为什么自己主动承认杀了章？要知道在法律上,
admission is the best evidence，只要没有能够证明与嫌犯承认的事实相反的证据，
法庭就必须采纳这个承认的杀人事实。看完检方证据，才知道他不承认也枉然，检方证
据确凿，即使没有尸体，根据美国案例法，这些证据已经能够充分证明他谋杀致死了章
。先看以下这个案例，非常接近章案。两个人谋杀了同事，扔了尸体找不到。警方根据
目击者证词和法医证据，这个法医证据是这两人的车上的一个座位上有失踪者足够的血
迹证明如果他没有得到及时救治的话就只能是已经死亡了。
In 2000, prosecutors in Orange County, New York, secured that jurisdiction's
first-ever bodyless murder conviction. Gregory Chrysler and Lawrence
Weygant were ... 阅读全帖 |
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f********4
发帖数: 2883 | 9 律师先生，你需要法律科普，我给你找来了 -
Proven beyond reasonable doubt 根本就是一个question of fact, 不是你说的
question of law. 且看维基科普：https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Question_of_law
Question of fact
In law, a question of fact, also known as a point of fact, is a question
that must be answered by reference to facts and evidence as well as
inferences arising from those facts. Such a question is distinct from a
question of law, which must be answered by applying relevant legal
principles. The answer to a question of fact (a "f... 阅读全帖 |
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w******t
发帖数: 356 | 11 First of all, congrats to OSU if the news is true! Urban is a great coach.
But (don't take it offensively) I don't know if anybody has the same doubt
that Urban is no longer the same person when he won 2 NCs. I mean the health
issue seems to be clinching on the back of his mind since the heart attack
back in 2009 and negatively impacted the motivation and energy level he used
to bring to work as a head coach. By the time he left Florida, I believe
many people could see that he was not really mak... 阅读全帖 |
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a****s
发帖数: 282 | 12 Doubts have emerged over Kimi Raikkonen's World title triumph after McLaren
notified the FIA of their intention to appeal Sunday's stewards' verdict
following the Brazilian GP.
If McLaren choose to pursue their appeal, it would temper new World Champion
Kimi Raikkonen's title celebrations following his remarkable triumph at
Interlagos.
McLaren believe the stewards missed vital evidence, and that could cast
fresh doubt on an already controversial and dramatic Championship.
The stewards launched a |
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m***e
发帖数: 8 | 13 【 以下文字转载自 WebRadio 讨论区 】
发信人: momoe (Rh阴性AB型), 信区: WebRadio
标 题: 明天American Idol 热身- No Doubt
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Mar 26 20:21:50 2007)
http://radio.mitbbs.com:8000/best.m3u
明天的mentor是Gwen Stefani
所以播一下No Doubt - The Singles (1992-2003)
由于个人偏好，我会反复播dont speak，呵呵
1.Just A Girl
2.It's My Life
3.Hey Baby (featuring Bounty Killer)
4.Bathwater
5.Sunday Morning
6.Hella Good
7.New
8.Underneath It All (featuring Lady Saw)
9.Excuse Me Mr.
10.Running
11.Spiderwebs
12.Simple Kind Of Life
13.Don't Speak
14 |
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M****o
发帖数: 13571 | 14 No Doubt. Tony Kanal, Tom Dumont, Adrian Young and Gwen Stefani are the
members of No Doubt. They appeared on the show "Dawson's Creek" in "
Spiderwebs". During this episode, Eddie and Joey go on their first date, and
end up sneaking into the concert. Dawson and Natasha try to sneak in but
end up in the parking lot where they're arrested. Jen finds out about CJ and
Audrey sleeping together and Pacey tries to reconcile with Audrey. CJ and
Pacey end up fighting and it gets them all kicked out the ... 阅读全帖 |
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v*****t
发帖数: 194 | 15 刚说你狭窄无知， 不理解我的argument有多强。 连哪个是我的
最强的argument都搞错.
The #2 is not the base for Beyond Reasonable Doubt. Hehe.
repost:
1. The fact that the motive to lie is there
2 The fact that government SSC benefit is based on no kid with autism.
3. The fact that kid's autism was part of the base for publically
solicitating donation, while no evidence of autism was provided to public
even after repeated requests.
4. The fact many other unethical / fraudulent tactics were used in this
public funding raisin... 阅读全帖 |
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s**i
发帖数: 4448 | 16 也没错啊，beyond reasonable doubt那是个主观标准，你可以说我认为，我相信，我
有理由相信，但你无法说我知道。
而且，给她捐款的的主要基础是中年丧夫留下三个孩子，无工作家庭妇女。至于孩子有
自闭症是次要的。
而且如果你靠堆积可能来论证，同样有反面的supporting evidence, 她参加自闭症孩
子互助组，她孩子有多次IEP，葬礼上有人的观察（前提是如果你接受这些是真实的）
这些不是确据，但同样支持她孩子可能有自闭症。
所以，你无法做到beyond reasonable doubt的强度，除非你选择你的证据。如果你选
择证据，不就体现你的bias么？
如果你对她信用有疑问，那么最多也是你极度怀疑她在自闭症上撒谎了，但离言之凿凿
说她孩子一定没有自闭症，是她撒谎还是有差距的。
不是么？ |
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j******3
发帖数: 18319 | 17 那doubt跟基督教有关系吗？
基督教里有一个公认的doubt吗？ |
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n******n
发帖数: 12088 | 18 SUNNYVALE, Calif. (AP) -- LDK Solar Co., which makes wafers for solar cells,
said Wednesday it will need to account another $12.6 million for "doubtful
recoveries," in the fourth quarter of 2009, that is, money it may not
receive.
The company said the additional provision for doubtful recoveries was based
on updated information about its customers' repayment ability and its
suppliers' ability to honor contract terms to deliver products or refund
money.
As a result, the company's loss for the qua |
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w*******r
发帖数: 7276 | 19 cxu, a layman in comm theory is doubting about one of the biggest scientific
and engineering achievement human being had ever made. What a joke. He is
just a perfect example to show those doubter's background and credibility. |
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w*******r
发帖数: 7276 | 20 Transmitting 500Khz analog signal from Moon to Earth is not that difficult.
Anybody who doubt about MD's capability in 1969, please shut up.
Background of myself: Graduated from TOP2, major in EE with specialty in
communication. Currently work for TOP 3 fabless semi company as comm system
engineer. 14 years experience.
List your background if you want to discuss. |
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F*********s
发帖数: 223 | 21 帮对方找出七个目击证人，这基本不用费劲张罗上庭了，审了也是reasonable doubt,
无罪释放。智商硬伤，无解。 |
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F*********s
发帖数: 223 | 22 藤森梦里要笑醒了。本来雇了个不靠谱的便宜律师，更没钱雇佣调查问题的专家，没想
到对方主动出击，提供这么有力的reasonable doubt，连调查费都能省一大笔. 无罪释
放后还出名了，真是天上掉馅饼。 |
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b***y
发帖数: 14281 | 23 reasonable doubt本来就在那，章家闹不闹，辩方都不会不知道。你不闹，辩方开庭的
时候把这几个人一传，人不照样walk out? 到底是谁的智商有硬伤？掩耳盗铃有用吗？ |
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b********n
发帖数: 38600 | 24 but if the price is any significant loss of China's independence and
sovereignty, I doubt China will pay that price.
While Trump and his minions rant on about China engaging in "unfair trade",
the elephants in the corner of the Oval Office are the US-based
multinational corporations that persuaded the USA to sign international
trade agreements that allowed the multinationals to move their factories out
of the USA and into low-wage, low-tax, low-regulation, litigation-free,
human-rights-advocate... 阅读全帖 |
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s*x
发帖数: 8041 | 25 不用100%证明，只要证明beyond reasonable doubt就行了，楼主的文章就是说的这个。 |
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f********4
发帖数: 2883 | 26 谢谢概括，正是这样。中国人是不是只善于理解非黑即白的绝对简单逻辑，没有理解
reasonable doubt这样的西方式概念？
个。 |
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f********4
发帖数: 2883 | 27 再看今天的报道：
调查人员没有找到过这个旅行袋，克里斯滕森告诉FBI他用旅行袋给布利斯装了一个大
礼物，但旅行袋破了，所以他把它留在了车旁，他觉得旅行袋后来被偷了。
-- 由此可以理解为什么车上会有大量血迹。因为藤森用事先买好准备装尸的大旅行袋
把章肢解了的尸体装进去带上车，但是尸骨把口袋划破了，大量血流在了车里。现在才
被检验出来。
他说出来的跟检验证明的相互coraborating，已经是beyond reasonable doubt。
至于他为什么要撒谎说杀了13个人，那仅仅是一种进一步的夸张以求显得更牛鼻。法庭
不可能仅仅因为一点夸张就否定所有这些证据确凿证明的事实。 |
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z****g
发帖数: 3509 | 28 证据是否足够beyond a reasonable doubt是question of fact，由陪审团直接决定，
而不是question of law，不受案例法控制。
楼主不要以为会读些英语，会google，就可以做律师了。 |
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f********4
发帖数: 2883 | 29 特引用以上提及的博文：
从章莹颖案被告方的承认谈起
章莹颖案庭审检方的呈堂供证已经结束。被告克里斯滕森的律师承认章莹颖被
克里斯滕森杀害，同时在被告女友录下的录音中，克里斯滕森承认自己使章莹颖窒息致
死，并将其砍头。 被告卧室地毯血迹与章莹颖的DNA高度吻合，被告球棒上的DNA取样
，也与章的DNA有一定程度的吻合。 下面要看被告律师如何辩护和原告检方如何反驳了。
本网对本案出现不同声音，一种认为， “章颖颖被预谋杀害死亡已经证据确
凿，证明无疑, proven beyond reasonable doubt. “在法律上, admission is the
best evidence，只要没有能够证明与嫌犯承认的事实相反的证据，法庭就必须采纳这
个承认的杀人事实。”
本人在网上查了一下, 在美国法律上, 对方承认确实是最好的证据。在民事法
中, 那是毫无疑问的. 在刑事案中, 94%的州案和97%的联邦案例是通过检辩交易(Plea
bargain)来认罪的. 也就是通过承认来定罪. 真正走到陪审团或法官判决的为极少数.
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c**********o
发帖数: 1941 | 30 LOL, ‘no reason to doubt’ 等于没说
问Sessions也等于白问， 他就一票
要问AL的voters， 他们该注意了没
感觉，这个指控是项庄舞剑，这次对莫尔成功了，以后就会层出不穷 |
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D**S
发帖数: 24887 | 31 这些老鬼，都是玩弄词藻的高手。“no reason to doubt”的程度显然比“believe”
要低一档。 |
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s********e
发帖数: 1503 | 32 政客说话就是这样，这次看老床怎么表态了。
：这些老鬼，都是玩弄词藻的高手。“no reason to doubt”的程度显然比“believe”
：要低一档。 |
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g***l
发帖数: 18555 | 33 白说吧,谁知道大盘会怎么样,永远都是IN DOUBT中前行 |
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Q*K
发帖数: 3464 | 34 Microsoft, which famously missed the significance of the internet and was
very late in having a credible smart phone operating system, has cast doubt
on the longevity of the tablet.
The Sydney Morning Herald reports on a lunch held by the Committee for
Economic Development of Australia (CEDA), at which Microsoft’s global chief
research and strategy officer Craig Mundie was speaking.
Mr. Mundie said he did not know whether tablets like the iPad would “remain
with us or not”.
“I think there’s ... 阅读全帖 |
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Q*K
发帖数: 3464 | 35 people love their ipad and Apple sold 14.8 million in 2010
what are they thinking?
well, these guys still live in 80s
doubt
chief
remain
said. |
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R*3
发帖数: 11814 | 36 这个交易目前来看，味精赚大了。另外相熟你也赚大了。
Ian Rapoport @RapSheet 10m
Source: #Seahawks WR Percy Harvin's surgically repaired hip flared up again.
He's seeing doctors today, but his status for MNF is in doubt. |
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N*********6
发帖数: 4372 | 37 The best way is to let Oregon go to Glendale. I
believe they can given that they don't commit
stupid mistakes and "diao lian zi" in crucial games.
Anybody who "bu fu" should go to NCG and have a
try and win them to silent the doubt. I would like
to enjoy such a game. Oklahoma has the best chance
right now. |
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b**j
发帖数: 20742 | 38 i have my doubts too but there simply aren't any other candidates. and as
long as he can recruit, with decent OC/DCs i think he can easily win the big
ten and even beat SEC a couple of times. i actually like that his OC/DC
picks are all from SEC schools lower positions (i.e. LB coach, OL coach etc)
. these guys have the motivation to succeed much more than meyer
health
attack
used
what
hire |
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m****i
发帖数: 1980 | 39 Called my primary physician two days ago as the sports medicine only takes
referrals, he hasn’t provide me with any update on the referral statues
My right knee hurts so badly even just walking, first time ever I am
doubting if it worth to push myself so hard just to score a personal worst
on Oakland’s race?
I am so stressout:( |
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x****d
发帖数: 1766 | 40 Beyond reasonable doubt, I always says that.
when you say somebody is cheating, please be very careful.
the other day, I asked Makejian, he told me that his wife was playing with
him using his ID. Very reasonable. Why you guys made a big deal of it?
If you accuse others cheating blindly, others will accuse you, too. |
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k******r
发帖数: 2300 | 41 那个小男孩的妈演的也很好。 那个Father 的诡辩简直太精彩了，让你感觉错位了，让
你为你的"doubt" 而感到内疚。 |
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M****o
发帖数: 13571 | 42 MV
No Doubt - Underneath It All ft. Lady Saw |
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v*****t
发帖数: 194 | 43 Beyond reasonable doubt 不等于知道, 这道理大家都明白。 也就只有你这样无知的
理工女才为此纠缠不清吧。 |
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s**i
发帖数: 4448 | 44 呵呵，你堆的可能性达不到beyond reasonable doubt, 有bias的人才会认为够了。特
别是网络justice fighters.
好像信徒用faith来跳过逻辑尽头的鸿沟。 |
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v*****t
发帖数: 194 | 45 If you want you can wordsmith it. I don't think you ever interpreted it
differently.
“The fact that government SSC benefit is based on no kid with autism as
defined by SSC standard”
BTW, can you tell me which of my 5 argument is the cornerstone for Beyond
Reasonable Doubt? |
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v*****t
发帖数: 194 | 46 那就继续当你是无知吧, 不理解我的key argument的强度。 把你那些arguments考虑
上去， 还是beyond reasonable doubt. |
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v*****t
发帖数: 194 | 47 有那点研究的阴谋论工夫，还是去学习点社会公德吧。 这才是 beyond reasonable
doubt的关键。 |
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m***e
发帖数: 8 | 48 http://radio.mitbbs.com:8000/best.m3u
明天的mentor是Gwen Stefani
所以播一下No Doubt - The Singles (1992-2003)
由于个人偏好，我会反复播dont speak，呵呵
1.Just A Girl
2.It's My Life
3.Hey Baby (featuring Bounty Killer)
4.Bathwater
5.Sunday Morning
6.Hella Good
7.New
8.Underneath It All (featuring Lady Saw)
9.Excuse Me Mr.
10.Running
11.Spiderwebs
12.Simple Kind Of Life
13.Don't Speak
14.Ex-Girlfriend
15.Trapped In A Box |
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