e****2
发帖数: 2723 | 1 第二版出台 也同时希望中国化学教授能表现出支持的态度，虽然事不关己，看在民族大义份上，务必团结
Should Mr. Sames apologize to these students being ruined by his fraud?
Mr Sames is a tenured Professor in chemistry department of Columbia University, he focused on his study in organic chemistry. During the past 10 years, he is considered by peers as a genius chemist and published a variety of research publications in high impact journals such as JACS and Angew. However, there is a scandal breaking out in 2003 that one of his student Sezen (a female student from Turkey), who has done fraud in several publications and fabricated the research data, which in turn lead to her Phd degree being revoked from university of Columbia, a punish severe enough to an ex-student in graduate school. However, it seems there is no corresponding impact to Mr. Sames, we, a group of Chinese students (hundreds of Phd students and post-docs) in chemistry field hope there is a transparent investigation to clarify the result since there are several Chinese students being involved in this issue and being treated unfairly. Our perspectives toward this issue are very different with university of Columbia’s decision, and we are calling your attention to this issue;
Below analysis regard Sames-Sezen issue is from ChemBark Blog, a neutral public blog for investigation of scientific misconduct
ChemBark Investigations, Lab Management, Sames-Sezen, Scientific Culture, Scientific Misconduct.
There are several reasons this section of the Columbia Report is particularly damning for Sames:
1. Sames appears to punish several innocent students while allowing the guilty one to run wild.
2. The action confirms that Sames knew that Sezen’s work could not be reproduced by several chemists in his own lab.
3. The action suggests that rather than respond to the gravity of the irreproducibility and investigate it, Sames dismissed students from his lab (and in doing so, essentially silenced them).
4. The fact that the Committee explicitly states that they were not charged with deciding whether Sames fired these students because of their inability to reproduce Sezen’s results raises a very important issue: while Sezen’s role in this scandal was investigated, we do not know whether Sames has been investigated. Furthermore, it is noteworthy that this investigation was launched as a result of a complaint by Sames against Sezen. Did Sames’ role as Complainant protect him from subsequent investigation?
We know how Sezen has been punished, but what of Sames? Sezen is (rightly) going to lose her Ph.D. because it was based on fabricated data. Can Sames keep his job given his gross record of sustained negligence and the fact that a portion of Sezen’s work almost certainly factored in to Columbia’s decision to award him tenure in 2003?
The answer is yes, apparently, because it has been six years since Sezen was exposed and Sames doesn’t appear to be going anywhere. While we don’t know how Columbia has punished Sames—if at all—we do know several punishments Sames has escaped. He still has his job at Columbia. He still has tenure. He still is allowed to run his own research lab. He still receives federal funding. He is still allowed to publish in JACS and seemingly was never suspended from doing so. Finally, he has evaded the vast majority of the acrimony surrounding the case. Somewhere between 2005 and 2011, the beautiful work of Sames became the horrible work of Sezen. How is it that a professor can be given the lionshare of credit for a body of good work when published, yet escape the lionshare of the blame when the work is proven fraudulent?”
As above comments indicated, Mr Sames’qualification as a professor in a prestigious university is questionable, we Chinese chemistry community completely agree with above comments. In addition to Mr Sames’ behaviour in scientific research, the ethics of Mr Sames’s management of his lab and treatment of the students are also questionable; Indeed, we observed that he fired at least one of Chinese students in his group, maybe more, which bring a very tough time for them, and in turn attracted our Chinese chemists’ attention;
Below is our Chinese chemistry community’s perspective regard to Sames-Sezen issue;
It is a known fact that some professors take advantage of Indian and Chinese grad students and treat them as indentured servitude, just like some employers take advantage of illegal immigrants. It seems Mr. Sames is one of them. Indeed, Mr Sames slaved some of the best students in chemistry, one of the common sense of the characteristics of slavery, though, is the treatment of people as disposable objects, and certainly Sames treated some of his grad students as such.
Mr. Sames hired the students from developing country and used them to explore the hiding landmines in the scientific field in their first two years in graduate school without proper training, then fired some of them, usually the one he dislike, would not flatter him, and being bombed by the random landmines in the scientific research field at their third year!
Now days if a chemist want to work in his "beloved" chemistry field, he has to work like a slave, suck it up and go through it, hopefully with minimal amount of "permanent" damage. These are very true toward the students from developing countries in such an economic recession era. Most of schools realize that chemistry grad students probably are least likely candidates to donate a shining bldg or endow a chair. Compared to science graduate school, MD's, JD's and "know-it-all" MBA's probably have very different grad school experience.
In our perspective Mr Shames is one of the professors who ruined chemistry, in addition to that, he ruined US 's reputation as a leading, decent scientific research country. His behavior in scientific research and his ethic in management of his lab are unacceptable, which annoyed all the chemistry community. His conduct also brings very negative effects to future students majored in chemistry from rest of the world.
There should be an investigation toward Mr Sames’ behavior and a corresponding punishment to his inappropriate deed in Columbia University!
In such a recession time, Chinese chemistry community calls your attention regard this issue, regardless of your identity, either you are a student, being recently laid off or hold a tenure position, to protect our sensitive and fragile chemistry community.
Chinese Chemistry Community in North America(CCCNA)
2011/7/25
Mr Shames must apologize to these students being ruined by his fraud and
dirty morality.
Indeed he slaved some of the best students in chemistry, one of the common
sense of the characteristics of slavery, though, is the treatment of people
as disposable objects, and certainly Sames treated some of his grad
students as such.
He hired the students from developing country and used them to explore the
hiding landmines in the scientific field in their first two years in
graduate school, then fired some of them, usually the one he dislike,
without leg to offer and being bombed by the random landmines, at the third
year!
Now days If a chemist want to work in your "beloved" chemistry field, he has
to work like a slave, suck it up and go through it, hopefully with minimal
amount of "permanent" damage. Most of schools realize that chemistry grad
students probably are least likely candidates to donate a shining bldg or
endow a chair. MD's, JD's and "know-it-all" MBA's probably have very
different grad school experience.
Mr Shames is one of the beast professors who ruined chemistry,also, he
ruined US 's reputation as a leading, decent scientific country. What a
shame!
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d*****3
发帖数: 3702 | |
R*******d
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r*******3
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p*i
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P***e
发帖数: 3441 | 6 re
people
the
third
【在 e****2 的大作中提到】
: 第二版出台 也同时希望中国化学教授能表现出支持的态度，虽然事不关己，看在民族大义份上，务必团结
: Should Mr. Sames apologize to these students being ruined by his fraud?
: Mr Sames is a tenured Professor in chemistry department of Columbia University, he focused on his study in organic chemistry. During the past 10 years, he is considered by peers as a genius chemist and published a variety of research publications in high impact journals such as JACS and Angew. However, there is a scandal breaking out in 2003 that one of his student Sezen (a female student from Turkey), who has done fraud in several publications and fabricated the research data, which in turn lead to her Phd degree being revoked from university of Columbia, a punish severe enough to an ex-student in graduate school. However, it seems there is no corresponding impact to Mr. Sames, we, a group of Chinese students (hundreds of Phd students and post-docs) in chemistry field hope there is a transparent investigation to clarify the result since there are several Chinese students being involved in this issue and being treated unfairly. Our perspectives toward this issue are very different with university of Columbia’s decision, and we are calling your attention to this issue;
: Below analysis regard Sames-Sezen issue is from ChemBark Blog, a neutral public blog for investigation of scientific misconduct
: ChemBark Investigations, Lab Management, Sames-Sezen, Scientific Culture, Scientific Misconduct.
: There are several reasons this section of the Columbia Report is particularly damning for Sames:
: 1. Sames appears to punish several innocent students while allowing the guilty one to run wild.
: 2. The action confirms that Sames knew that Sezen’s work could not be reproduced by several chemists in his own lab.
: 3. The action suggests that rather than respond to the gravity of the irreproducibility and investigate it, Sames dismissed students from his lab (and in doing so, essentially silenced them).
: 4. The fact that the Committee explicitly states that they were not charged with deciding whether Sames fired these students because of their inability to reproduce Sezen’s results raises a very important issue: while Sezen’s role in this scandal was investigated, we do not know whether Sames has been investigated. Furthermore, it is noteworthy that this investigation was launched as a result of a complaint by Sames against Sezen. Did Sames’ role as Complainant protect him from subsequent investigation?
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c******n
发帖数: 16403 | 7 萨米斯有犹太老头做后台， 搞不倒他的。 造势埋汰他倒是可以。
people
the
third
【在 e****2 的大作中提到】
: 第二版出台 也同时希望中国化学教授能表现出支持的态度，虽然事不关己，看在民族大义份上，务必团结
: Should Mr. Sames apologize to these students being ruined by his fraud?
: Mr Sames is a tenured Professor in chemistry department of Columbia University, he focused on his study in organic chemistry. During the past 10 years, he is considered by peers as a genius chemist and published a variety of research publications in high impact journals such as JACS and Angew. However, there is a scandal breaking out in 2003 that one of his student Sezen (a female student from Turkey), who has done fraud in several publications and fabricated the research data, which in turn lead to her Phd degree being revoked from university of Columbia, a punish severe enough to an ex-student in graduate school. However, it seems there is no corresponding impact to Mr. Sames, we, a group of Chinese students (hundreds of Phd students and post-docs) in chemistry field hope there is a transparent investigation to clarify the result since there are several Chinese students being involved in this issue and being treated unfairly. Our perspectives toward this issue are very different with university of Columbia’s decision, and we are calling your attention to this issue;
: Below analysis regard Sames-Sezen issue is from ChemBark Blog, a neutral public blog for investigation of scientific misconduct
: ChemBark Investigations, Lab Management, Sames-Sezen, Scientific Culture, Scientific Misconduct.
: There are several reasons this section of the Columbia Report is particularly damning for Sames:
: 1. Sames appears to punish several innocent students while allowing the guilty one to run wild.
: 2. The action confirms that Sames knew that Sezen’s work could not be reproduced by several chemists in his own lab.
: 3. The action suggests that rather than respond to the gravity of the irreproducibility and investigate it, Sames dismissed students from his lab (and in doing so, essentially silenced them).
: 4. The fact that the Committee explicitly states that they were not charged with deciding whether Sames fired these students because of their inability to reproduce Sezen’s results raises a very important issue: while Sezen’s role in this scandal was investigated, we do not know whether Sames has been investigated. Furthermore, it is noteworthy that this investigation was launched as a result of a complaint by Sames against Sezen. Did Sames’ role as Complainant protect him from subsequent investigation?
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e****2
发帖数: 2723 | 8 要有信心，正义终将战胜邪恶！
联合起来，成为刘邦项羽， 而不是紧紧陈胜吴广！
【在 c******n 的大作中提到】
: 萨米斯有犹太老头做后台， 搞不倒他的。 造势埋汰他倒是可以。
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c******n
发帖数: 16403 | 9 正义必胜， 好人必有好报， 恶人不得好死， 因果循环报应不爽。。。。这些都是受欺
负了之后自欺欺人的说法。 这个世道公平正义得不到申张的事情太多。 不能指望老
天大发慈悲
【在 e****2 的大作中提到】
: 要有信心，正义终将战胜邪恶！
: 联合起来，成为刘邦项羽， 而不是紧紧陈胜吴广！
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e****2
发帖数: 2723 | 10 既要动嘴，也要动手
是该痛打落水狗的时候了！
受欺
【在 c******n 的大作中提到】
: 正义必胜， 好人必有好报， 恶人不得好死， 因果循环报应不爽。。。。这些都是受欺
: 负了之后自欺欺人的说法。 这个世道公平正义得不到申张的事情太多。 不能指望老
: 天大发慈悲
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w********h
发帖数: 12367 | 11 对于人渣，
第一个策略是避开，
第二个策略是鄙视，
第三个策略是忘记。
受欺
【在 c******n 的大作中提到】
: 正义必胜， 好人必有好报， 恶人不得好死， 因果循环报应不爽。。。。这些都是受欺
: 负了之后自欺欺人的说法。 这个世道公平正义得不到申张的事情太多。 不能指望老
: 天大发慈悲
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e****2
发帖数: 2723 | 12 不出3天所有化学系的信箱都会收到这个公开信的！大家再润色一下？
【在 w********h 的大作中提到】
: 对于人渣，
: 第一个策略是避开，
: 第二个策略是鄙视，
: 第三个策略是忘记。
:
: 受欺
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O*C
发帖数: 649 | |
f*******i
发帖数: 8492 | |
c*********k
发帖数: 20696 | 15 re
【在 f*******i 的大作中提到】
: 我是进来吃包子的~
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v*****s
发帖数: 20290 | 16 真要搞的话，最好还是先把人家名字拼对吧。
【在 e****2 的大作中提到】
: 不出3天所有化学系的信箱都会收到这个公开信的！大家再润色一下？
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f*******i
发帖数: 8492 | 17 LZ故意那样拼的吧
【在 v*****s 的大作中提到】
: 真要搞的话，最好还是先把人家名字拼对吧。
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l**j
发帖数: 651 | 18 那个是故意的吧 中间也有拼对了的
【在 v*****s 的大作中提到】
: 真要搞的话，最好还是先把人家名字拼对吧。
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s***a
发帖数: 26 | 19 一部分中国人最愚蠢的做法就是哭诉自己如何被老板奴役和如何可怜，以博取同情心。
可这是你自己选择的，不满意你可以选择离开。美国人注重规则和程序，不同情弱者。
若要和老板斗并让其服输，就要拿出有力的证据来证明其严重违反法律和规定。如哥大
的Sames在国际同行和组内成员怀疑其实验数据重复性时所采取的行动是严重的科研失
职，并在评tenure是有意隐藏其文章的重复性已受到很大的质疑这一事实。但他在造假
曝光后并没有受到相应的惩罚。这才是很多美国人讨论此事的重点！ |
e****2
发帖数: 2723 | 20 好观点，对于SAMES不符合程序和违反管理条例的行为请写成英文，我给你加入进去
【在 s***a 的大作中提到】
: 一部分中国人最愚蠢的做法就是哭诉自己如何被老板奴役和如何可怜，以博取同情心。
: 可这是你自己选择的，不满意你可以选择离开。美国人注重规则和程序，不同情弱者。
: 若要和老板斗并让其服输，就要拿出有力的证据来证明其严重违反法律和规定。如哥大
: 的Sames在国际同行和组内成员怀疑其实验数据重复性时所采取的行动是严重的科研失
: 职，并在评tenure是有意隐藏其文章的重复性已受到很大的质疑这一事实。但他在造假
: 曝光后并没有受到相应的惩罚。这才是很多美国人讨论此事的重点！
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h*******n
发帖数: 1328 | 21 re
people
the
third
【在 e****2 的大作中提到】
: 好观点，对于SAMES不符合程序和违反管理条例的行为请写成英文，我给你加入进去
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w***r
发帖数: 179 | |
l*****g
发帖数: 505 | |
l*******e
发帖数: 1519 | |
s**********e
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x*******2
发帖数: 5333 | |
w**********e
发帖数: 793 | |
i*****9
发帖数: 293 | 28 re
Mr Shames must apologize to these students being ruined by his fraud and
dirty morality.........
★ Sent from iPhone App: iReader Mitbbs 7.21 - iPad Lite
【在 e****2 的大作中提到】
: 好观点，对于SAMES不符合程序和违反管理条例的行为请写成英文，我给你加入进去
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p*********8
发帖数: 1039 | 29 re!! 学生不容易
people
the
third
【在 e****2 的大作中提到】
: 好观点，对于SAMES不符合程序和违反管理条例的行为请写成英文，我给你加入进去
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p*****g
发帖数: 530 | |
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j******b
发帖数: 78 | |
f******i
发帖数: 4647 | 33 re
people
the
third
【在 e****2 的大作中提到】
: 好观点，对于SAMES不符合程序和违反管理条例的行为请写成英文，我给你加入进去
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f******r
发帖数: 301 | 34 支持。
people
the
third
【在 e****2 的大作中提到】
: 好观点，对于SAMES不符合程序和违反管理条例的行为请写成英文，我给你加入进去
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t***l
发帖数: 222 | |
w********e
发帖数: 2113 | |
p*******n
发帖数: 2697 | |
h*********e
发帖数: 859 | |
N*********t
发帖数: 1082 | 39 re
排包子
people
the
third
【在 e****2 的大作中提到】
: 好观点，对于SAMES不符合程序和违反管理条例的行为请写成英文，我给你加入进去
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p*******n
发帖数: 2697 | 40 re这个观点，真的很在理
原文通篇主观得讲他是个坏老板，没啥有力的打击。
把他撤掉的7篇文章举出来，一目了然，bengu的造假这么多文章，作为老板的sames宁
愿怀疑对实验室那么多优秀的学生，都不对这一个学生稍加注意。造假本很容易就被发
现，但sames的姑息反倒帮助了造假着。因此其他本来出色的学生被他害惨了。
然后再谈他姑息造假者，浪费了经费啥啥啥的。
最后讲他作为这么失败的一个advisor，竟然在事发之后完全没有悔过之心（当然这段
就是胡扯了）
写着玩儿不能扳到他的，也就是让他不爽而已
【在 s***a 的大作中提到】
: 一部分中国人最愚蠢的做法就是哭诉自己如何被老板奴役和如何可怜，以博取同情心。
: 可这是你自己选择的，不满意你可以选择离开。美国人注重规则和程序，不同情弱者。
: 若要和老板斗并让其服输，就要拿出有力的证据来证明其严重违反法律和规定。如哥大
: 的Sames在国际同行和组内成员怀疑其实验数据重复性时所采取的行动是严重的科研失
: 职，并在评tenure是有意隐藏其文章的重复性已受到很大的质疑这一事实。但他在造假
: 曝光后并没有受到相应的惩罚。这才是很多美国人讨论此事的重点！
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v***0
发帖数: 5096 | 41 evans这个老将ID原来是学化学的啊？
这个化学帖子带出了不少老将啊。
people
the
third
【在 e****2 的大作中提到】
: 好观点，对于SAMES不符合程序和违反管理条例的行为请写成英文，我给你加入进去
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y****o
发帖数: 626 | |
r*******n
发帖数: 3020 | 43 所以人渣越来越多，看看国内叫兽多多
记住： never out of the fight.
这是我看一个美国人穿的Tshirt上写的
【在 w********h 的大作中提到】
: 对于人渣，
: 第一个策略是避开，
: 第二个策略是鄙视，
: 第三个策略是忘记。
:
: 受欺
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B****o
发帖数: 1393 | |
w****t
发帖数: 1849 | |
s********y
发帖数: 315 | 46 通篇的judgement，太有个人色彩了，缺乏事实，没有说服力 |
f*****u
发帖数: 729 | |
L*****s
发帖数: 24744 | 48 已经可以看到结果和之前那个一样了..
而且你拿人钱财替人消灾,只是被人不当人看,你说这怪谁
谁叫你学这个有钱拿,却不好找工作的又折寿的专业呢? |
j********0
发帖数: 194 | 49 Re support!!!
Mr Shames must apologize to these students being ruined by his fraud and
dirty morality.........
★ Sent from iPhone App: iReader Mitbbs Lite 7.20
【在 e****2 的大作中提到】
: 好观点，对于SAMES不符合程序和违反管理条例的行为请写成英文，我给你加入进去
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L***a
发帖数: 3674 | |
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r******n
发帖数: 311 | 51 Re.
谁能告诉我怎么回事啊？？？
people
the
third
【在 e****2 的大作中提到】
: 好观点，对于SAMES不符合程序和违反管理条例的行为请写成英文，我给你加入进去
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d***y
发帖数: 2567 | |
s******4
发帖数: 540 | 53 Re
【在 p*******n 的大作中提到】
: re这个观点，真的很在理
: 原文通篇主观得讲他是个坏老板，没啥有力的打击。
: 把他撤掉的7篇文章举出来，一目了然，bengu的造假这么多文章，作为老板的sames宁
: 愿怀疑对实验室那么多优秀的学生，都不对这一个学生稍加注意。造假本很容易就被发
: 现，但sames的姑息反倒帮助了造假着。因此其他本来出色的学生被他害惨了。
: 然后再谈他姑息造假者，浪费了经费啥啥啥的。
: 最后讲他作为这么失败的一个advisor，竟然在事发之后完全没有悔过之心（当然这段
: 就是胡扯了）
: 写着玩儿不能扳到他的，也就是让他不爽而已
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r*********s
发帖数: 668 | |
j****1
发帖数: 15497 | |
l*******6
发帖数: 378 | |
M****y
发帖数: 402 | 57 re
people
the
third
【在 e****2 的大作中提到】
: 好观点，对于SAMES不符合程序和违反管理条例的行为请写成英文，我给你加入进去
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d****r
发帖数: 1017 | |
z********6
发帖数: 2181 | |
m*****e
发帖数: 1506 | 60
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你这句话伤害了广大化学猥琐男脆弱的心灵
【在 L*****s 的大作中提到】
: 已经可以看到结果和之前那个一样了..
: 而且你拿人钱财替人消灾,只是被人不当人看,你说这怪谁
: 谁叫你学这个有钱拿,却不好找工作的又折寿的专业呢?
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发帖数: 7433 | 61 re
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third
【在 e****2 的大作中提到】
: 好观点，对于SAMES不符合程序和违反管理条例的行为请写成英文，我给你加入进去
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d*g
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i******6
发帖数: 1943 | |
b**********t
发帖数: 1760 | 64 re
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【在 e****2 的大作中提到】
: 好观点，对于SAMES不符合程序和违反管理条例的行为请写成英文，我给你加入进去
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r****x
发帖数: 1250 | 65 Re
people
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【在 e****2 的大作中提到】
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b***a
发帖数: 6422 | 66 re
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third
【在 e****2 的大作中提到】
: 好观点，对于SAMES不符合程序和违反管理条例的行为请写成英文，我给你加入进去
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t****a
发帖数: 3544 | 67 what is the problem ? link pls ?
people
the
third
【在 e****2 的大作中提到】
: 好观点，对于SAMES不符合程序和违反管理条例的行为请写成英文，我给你加入进去
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Q**a
发帖数: 406 | 69 re
不过看lz这描述，这教授不是挺正常的么，有啥好谢罪的
所谓landmine更像是学生自己水平不够被fire了回头怪老板 |
c******n
发帖数: 16403 | 70 新来的吧？ 知道Bengu事件怎么回事么？
【在 Q**a 的大作中提到】
: re
: 不过看lz这描述，这教授不是挺正常的么，有啥好谢罪的
: 所谓landmine更像是学生自己水平不够被fire了回头怪老板
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Q**a
发帖数: 406 | 71 冲着包子来的
只是提醒一下lz这样群发多半会被人当spam，或者被fire的学生无理取闹
【在 c******n 的大作中提到】
: 新来的吧？ 知道Bengu事件怎么回事么？
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f**g
发帖数: 2452 | 72 好多语法错误，请一定改好再发，否则别人只会一笑置之。
支持你
包子plz |
u***n
发帖数: 10554 | 73 what happened?
people
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【在 e****2 的大作中提到】
: 好观点，对于SAMES不符合程序和违反管理条例的行为请写成英文，我给你加入进去
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x**m
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M********1
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【在 e****2 的大作中提到】
: 好观点，对于SAMES不符合程序和违反管理条例的行为请写成英文，我给你加入进去
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d********0
发帖数: 302 | 78 re
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【在 e****2 的大作中提到】
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s*********l
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【在 e****2 的大作中提到】
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b******l
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k*****u
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h******o
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f****w
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people
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【在 e****2 的大作中提到】
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发帖数: 330 | |
T*P
发帖数: 2697 | 88 re
Mr Shames must apologize to these students being ruined by his fraud and
dirty morality.
Indeed he slaved some of the best students in chemistry, one of the common
sense of the characteristics of slavery, though, is the treatment of people
as disposable objects, and certainly Sames treated some of his grad
students as such.
He hired the students from developing country and used them to explore the
hiding landmines in the scientific field in their first two years in
graduate school, then fired some of them, usually the one he dislike,
without leg to offer and being bombed by the random landmines, at the third
year!
Now days If a chemist want to work in your "beloved" chemistry field, he has
to work like a slave, suck it up and go through it, hopefully with minimal
amount of "permanent" damage. Most of schools realize that chemistry grad
students probably are least likely candidates to donate a shining bldg or
endow a chair. MD's, JD's and "know-it-all" MBA's probably have very
different grad school experience.
Mr Shames is one of the beast professors who ruined chemistry,also, he
ruined US 's reputation as a leading, decent scientific country. What a
shame!
还广大第三世界奴隶一个公道，RE者发包子,此英文抗议信在修改后将被鼓励群发至各
个化学系EMAIL群，让我们一起抗议！请大家在英语上润色一下，提出修改建议，公示2
日后准备发了！
BTW 请哥大同学提供一个化学系公共信箱，此信将首先发至哥大化学系，以观后效
【在 e****2 的大作中提到】
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p**m
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L*****e
发帖数: 288 | 91 what a fucking shit~
你这是纵然人渣，有你这样的，人渣永远是人渣，你永远是人渣的培养基地～
【在 w********h 的大作中提到】
: 对于人渣，
: 第一个策略是避开，
: 第二个策略是鄙视，
: 第三个策略是忘记。
:
: 受欺
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F**D
发帖数: 6472 | 93 re！
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w*******y
发帖数: 38 | 94 Re.反正是和笑眯眯的土耳其人工作要小心了，深受其害呀 |
e*********r
发帖数: 28 | 95 第一句话，额。。。
being ruined by his fraud and dirty morality
俺英文不好，也觉得这话很怪。。。。these students，也觉得不通。。。那个，
being明显可以用限制性定语从句啊。。。另外，两个逻辑问题：第一，学生这么容易
被ruin掉么？这个动词能换不？学生第二，他仅仅要对这些学生道歉么？是不是可以扩
展一下？ |
w********h
发帖数: 12367 | 96 我感觉我需要对你避开、鄙视和忘记了。
【在 L*****e 的大作中提到】
: what a fucking shit~
: 你这是纵然人渣，有你这样的，人渣永远是人渣，你永远是人渣的培养基地～
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d***p
发帖数: 306 | 97 你的学生能避开你么？
不要忘了本。
【在 w********h 的大作中提到】
: 我感觉我需要对你避开、鄙视和忘记了。
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d********l
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S*R
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s********n
发帖数: 2939 | 100 Ding!!!!!
族大义份上，务必团结
University, he focused on his study in organic chemistry. During the past 10
years, he is considered by peers as a genius chemist and published a
variety of research publications in high impact journals such as JACS and
Angew. However, there is a scandal breaking out in 2003 that one of his
student Sezen (a female student from Turkey), who has done fraud in several
publications and fabricated the research data, which in turn le: ad to her
Phd degree being revoked from university of Columbia, a punish severe enough
to an ex-student in graduate school. However, it seems there is no
corresponding impact to Mr. Sames, we, a group of Chinese students (hundreds
of Phd students and post-docs) in chemistry field hope there is a
transparent investigation to clarify the result since there are several
Chinese students being involved in this issue and being treated unfairly.
Our perspectives toward this issue are very different wi: th university of
Columbia’s decision, and we are calling your attention to this issue;
public blog for investigation of scientific misconduct
Scientific Misconduct.
particularly damning for Sames:
guilty one to run wild.
reproduced by several chemists in his own lab.
【在 e****2 的大作中提到】
: 第二版出台 也同时希望中国化学教授能表现出支持的态度，虽然事不关己，看在民族大义份上，务必团结
: Should Mr. Sames apologize to these students being ruined by his fraud?
: Mr Sames is a tenured Professor in chemistry department of Columbia University, he focused on his study in organic chemistry. During the past 10 years, he is considered by peers as a genius chemist and published a variety of research publications in high impact journals such as JACS and Angew. However, there is a scandal breaking out in 2003 that one of his student Sezen (a female student from Turkey), who has done fraud in several publications and fabricated the research data, which in turn lead to her Phd degree being revoked from university of Columbia, a punish severe enough to an ex-student in graduate school. However, it seems there is no corresponding impact to Mr. Sames, we, a group of Chinese students (hundreds of Phd students and post-docs) in chemistry field hope there is a transparent investigation to clarify the result since there are several Chinese students being involved in this issue and being treated unfairly. Our perspectives toward this issue are very different with university of Columbia’s decision, and we are calling your attention to this issue;
: Below analysis regard Sames-Sezen issue is from ChemBark Blog, a neutral public blog for investigation of scientific misconduct
: ChemBark Investigations, Lab Management, Sames-Sezen, Scientific Culture, Scientific Misconduct.
: There are several reasons this section of the Columbia Report is particularly damning for Sames:
: 1. Sames appears to punish several innocent students while allowing the guilty one to run wild.
: 2. The action confirms that Sames knew that Sezen’s work could not be reproduced by several chemists in his own lab.
: 3. The action suggests that rather than respond to the gravity of the irreproducibility and investigate it, Sames dismissed students from his lab (and in doing so, essentially silenced them).
: 4. The fact that the Committee explicitly states that they were not charged with deciding whether Sames fired these students because of their inability to reproduce Sezen’s results raises a very important issue: while Sezen’s role in this scandal was investigated, we do not know whether Sames has been investigated. Furthermore, it is noteworthy that this investigation was launched as a result of a complaint by Sames against Sezen. Did Sames’ role as Complainant protect him from subsequent investigation?
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L*****e
发帖数: 288 | 101 我建议最后的版本也投CEN news！这个我可以联系。 |
L*****e
发帖数: 288 | 102 你什么逻辑啊，我说不能避开人渣，能站起来反抗就一定反抗。又没说你是人渣，你有
本事鄙视人渣去，在这里承个屁威啊～
【在 w********h 的大作中提到】
: 我感觉我需要对你避开、鄙视和忘记了。
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c*****a
发帖数: 845 | 103 嗯，我希望那些教授们能对我们的所做所为，对MITBBS的评价避开，鄙视和忘记，不要
来删帖子，他们能做得到么？
【在 w********h 的大作中提到】
: 我感觉我需要对你避开、鄙视和忘记了。
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j*****f
发帖数: 301 | 104 support!
族大义份上，务必团结
University, he focused on his study in organic chemistry. During the past 10
years, he is considered by peers as a genius chemist and published a
variety of research publications in high impact journals such as JACS and
Angew. However, there is a scandal breaking out in 2003 that one of his
student Sezen (a female student from Turkey), who has done fraud in several
publications and fabricated the research data, which in turn le: ad to her
Phd degree being revoked from university of Columbia, a punish severe enough
to an ex-student in graduate school. However, it seems there is no
corresponding impact to Mr. Sames, we, a group of Chinese students (hundreds
of Phd students and post-docs) in chemistry field hope there is a
transparent investigation to clarify the result since there are several
Chinese students being involved in this issue and being treated unfairly.
Our perspectives toward this issue are very different wi: th university of
Columbia’s decision, and we are calling your attention to this issue;
public blog for investigation of scientific misconduct
Scientific Misconduct.
particularly damning for Sames:
guilty one to run wild.
reproduced by several chemists in his own lab.
【在 e****2 的大作中提到】
: 第二版出台 也同时希望中国化学教授能表现出支持的态度，虽然事不关己，看在民族大义份上，务必团结
: Should Mr. Sames apologize to these students being ruined by his fraud?
: Mr Sames is a tenured Professor in chemistry department of Columbia University, he focused on his study in organic chemistry. During the past 10 years, he is considered by peers as a genius chemist and published a variety of research publications in high impact journals such as JACS and Angew. However, there is a scandal breaking out in 2003 that one of his student Sezen (a female student from Turkey), who has done fraud in several publications and fabricated the research data, which in turn lead to her Phd degree being revoked from university of Columbia, a punish severe enough to an ex-student in graduate school. However, it seems there is no corresponding impact to Mr. Sames, we, a group of Chinese students (hundreds of Phd students and post-docs) in chemistry field hope there is a transparent investigation to clarify the result since there are several Chinese students being involved in this issue and being treated unfairly. Our perspectives toward this issue are very different with university of Columbia’s decision, and we are calling your attention to this issue;
: Below analysis regard Sames-Sezen issue is from ChemBark Blog, a neutral public blog for investigation of scientific misconduct
: ChemBark Investigations, Lab Management, Sames-Sezen, Scientific Culture, Scientific Misconduct.
: There are several reasons this section of the Columbia Report is particularly damning for Sames:
: 1. Sames appears to punish several innocent students while allowing the guilty one to run wild.
: 2. The action confirms that Sames knew that Sezen’s work could not be reproduced by several chemists in his own lab.
: 3. The action suggests that rather than respond to the gravity of the irreproducibility and investigate it, Sames dismissed students from his lab (and in doing so, essentially silenced them).
: 4. The fact that the Committee explicitly states that they were not charged with deciding whether Sames fired these students because of their inability to reproduce Sezen’s results raises a very important issue: while Sezen’s role in this scandal was investigated, we do not know whether Sames has been investigated. Furthermore, it is noteworthy that this investigation was launched as a result of a complaint by Sames against Sezen. Did Sames’ role as Complainant protect him from subsequent investigation?
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