s*********z
发帖数: 159 | 1 Happy Fourth of July!
AGA今年正在为段、级位证书作最后的冲刺。在模型方法上，为了让理事会尽快达成共
识，我今天提交了如下文件，也希望听听大家的建议。总体思路当然是借鉴亚洲成型的
方法，因地制宜的在美国实施。谢谢！
To: AGA Board of Directors, AGA President, AGA VP's, AGA Secretary
.....We can not settle on the certification at the Congress because only 3
players in each rank can get certs. The main bottleneck remains the
algorithms to support a convincing rank strength. I'd like to list a few
popular systems we may consider copying or for hybrid.
Just for credibility purpose, I am AGA 6.5d and China amateur 5d. I studied
the rank systems for 10+ years, and served AGA as Tournament Coordinator
before, running 10+ regional and national tournaments annually. I look
forward to hearing from you on (A~F).
A) Systems of Asian Go associations. The link is a direct translate from
amateur rank system in Beijing China as of 2012. It is approved by the
Chinese Qi-Yuan. The system features a 10-12 Round promotion tournament,
where about 60% winning percentage grants a promotion. The rank levels for
Kyu players are simplified to just 10K, 5K, 2K and 1K. No game is
handicapped. Rank cert through promotion tournaments is capped at 5D. Only
state level winners can apply for 6D. Only national level winners can apply
for 7D.
Reference: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2vKXX2osI9JbXVhNEtiUWM1MlU/edit?
usp=sharing
B) KGS system: KGS has a program to calculate players' ratings on both
handicapped and non-handicapped games. A new rank is granted immediately
when the rating reaches a new level, but can drop after the right next game.
C) Tygem system: Tygem is arguably the most popular Go server in the world
by players population. When a player is 5 Dan and below, in every
consecutive 20 games versus players at the same or +1 or -1 rank, 70%
winning grants the next rank, 90% winning grants a "+2" promotion. 70%
losing demotes a player, 90% losing demotes "-2". Only 1 handicap or even
games are considered for rating.
Above all, my evaluation is:
•D) The Beijing system appears "inflation" but good for DD-kyu players
as it generates enthusiasm and motivation for beginners, sets a tremendous
base, allowing many 7 or 8 yr-old to reach 1 dan with 2-3 years of weekend
study. It may be a reason for recent prosper of Go in China.
•E) Moderate inflation on kyu ranks may solve some recent complaints
on AGA ratings, which seems (I'm not 100% on this) underestimates the
progress of all kyu players as a group. (e.g. If you are 3-3 versus neighbor
same-rank players for years your rank may not change, but what if all the
neighbor players improved 1-2 stones over the years?)
•F) Tygem system is simple and predictable for players, so very good
model for SD-kyu and dan players. China has another very popular server, TOM
, uses the same rules on ranks. 20 games is a large pool, and it allows some
handicap games which is common in current AGA local events.
Happy Holiday!
Edward Zhang | O****X
发帖数: 24292 | 2 段位是个落后的东西，即使日本现在都不成功了，在赚钱和普及这两方面都不成功。
美国其实可以学习国际象棋的等级制度，那个其实更现代更科学，也更有利于围棋的普
及。 | f**l
发帖数: 2041 | 3 网络普及太厉害，段位和协会的作用怎么都会弱化的。除了顶尖高手，普通人估计不在
乎这个，有的玩儿就行。而玩嘛，网上拍棋也很爽啊。而且不受时间限制。
所以，这个AGA 段位制度不好搞。关键是AGA段位和高考可不挂钩，不会象国内那样有
那么多人冲击的。 | a*****g
发帖数: 19398 | 4 多考虑初学者。
我在普及的时候，孩子们很希望看到自己的进步。
studied
【在 s*********z 的大作中提到】
: Happy Fourth of July!
: AGA今年正在为段、级位证书作最后的冲刺。在模型方法上，为了让理事会尽快达成共
: 识，我今天提交了如下文件，也希望听听大家的建议。总体思路当然是借鉴亚洲成型的
: 方法，因地制宜的在美国实施。谢谢！
: To: AGA Board of Directors, AGA President, AGA VP's, AGA Secretary
: .....We can not settle on the certification at the Congress because only 3
: players in each rank can get certs. The main bottleneck remains the
: algorithms to support a convincing rank strength. I'd like to list a few
: popular systems we may consider copying or for hybrid.
: Just for credibility purpose, I am AGA 6.5d and China amateur 5d. I studied
| b*******8
发帖数: 37364 | 5 AGA搞的形式还是50年前的方式，仿佛互联网是空气一样看不到。 | s*********z
发帖数: 159 | 6 互联网确实是大趋势，ＡＧＡ如何改革，顺应潮流？愿闻其详。
【在 b*******8 的大作中提到】
: AGA搞的形式还是50年前的方式，仿佛互联网是空气一样看不到。
| l****k
发帖数: 61 | 7 Edward,今年的职业考试是什么时候？aga的ejournal有说board会上通过了。 | H******n
发帖数: 4072 | 8 搞等级分吧？美国乒乓球、网球、国象都差不多这样了。
动态的，水平跌了分就跌。
不然段位上去了下不来，将来肯定越来越厉害，10年前的九段现在看来肯定注水的厉害
。 |
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