S****e
发帖数: 10596 | 1 当年英法德，算上再早的葡西
为了资源/市场/移民，满世界抢殖民地，
除了亚非拉，东欧南欧也被殖民
为啥北欧没人碰？
资源丰富，人口稀少
难道是太冷了？ | a****t
发帖数: 7049 | 2 人家抢殖民地也不是光看资源，也看销售市场的。殖民经济是原材料进来，经过本国加
工，再倒卖给殖民地人，两头剥削。
再说北欧有什么资源了，就石油吧。 | a****t
发帖数: 7049 | 3 对了，当时的北欧不是被瓜分了么，挪威瑞典是丹麦的地，芬兰是俄罗斯的。 | b********n
发帖数: 162 | 4 “当时”是什么时候？丹麦的卡尔玛联盟结束于1523年，芬兰归入俄国统治已经是19世
纪了。
【在 a****t 的大作中提到】
: 对了，当时的北欧不是被瓜分了么，挪威瑞典是丹麦的地，芬兰是俄罗斯的。
| q*******2
发帖数: 431 | 5 Well, for starters, European nations were not colonized. Being part of a
multi-ethic empire is one thing, turning into a colony is a whole different
matter (once nationalistic feeling started to dominate and nation state
started to replace kindgom and empires as the predominant political entities
, empires just wouldn't survive, Europe just, due to geopolitical reality,
geographical proximity and the fact that Europe got enlightened way earlier
than the rest of the world, even the most backward, comparably speaking,
region of Europe: Russia, got way ahead of anywhere else.). Did you see
battalions of ethnic Germans/French/Britons in East/Southern Europe? (they
would not have got into such a mess they're facing now if they got half of
the work ethics Germans have.). Eastern Europe was a playground for Russia,
Austria and Prussia before nation states rose up challenge the old Eastern
Courts (directly caused WWI). Southern Europe was a battlefield for France,
Austria and Britain which ended up with wars between France and Austria, all
sorts of ethnic upheavals under Ottoman Empire and many many problems
between Britain and Russia, but they were never colonies as understood by
the primary colonial empires of then.
Fundamentally speaking, European states, include Nordic nations, kept their
relative independence from each other as the result of the fragmentation of
Europe: Britain, being the predominant world/maritime power, lacked the
strength to effectively intervene in continental affairs without a great
power ally, she could only be the balancer, the agitator against the
potential threat, but never the hegemonic power cuz she was never one and
didn't posses the strength to be one; France, being the dominant continental
power with the aspiration for continental domination, remained and
continued to be seen as the main threat to European balance of power ever
since way before Napoleon declared himself French Emperor, before Prussia
united Germany; Russia, being the alien one, the barbaric, would never have
been given a free hand in Europe (not even after Russia effectively turned
the tide against Napoleon.).
In sum, the Concert of Europe kept each and every major European power's
ambition in check, kept it confined to either ethical area which she, when
nationalistic yearning for unification was the dominant theme on the
continent, could somehow legitimately claim, or to some non-European remote
corner of the world whose inhabitants couldn't mount any sort of defense and
were considered barely human, if at all.
To put it in simpler terms: anytime anybody wanted to attack, occupy, much
less colonize, these smaller nations, it'd guarantee at the very least, a
strong response from Britain and almost certainly response from another
major continental power, with Britain's naval supremacy and industrial
economy, combined with continental power, whoever it might be, land strength
, it's easy enough to defeat any challenge to the status quo, in another
world, it's easy enough to defeat any attempt to consolidate more Europe
territories under one single power, thus threatening the balance power. The
only time the system failed, in any real sense, was when Bismarck, managed
to unify Germany which sowed the seed for a much much much bigger, yet
fundamentally just a belated response to changing balance of power,
conflagration.
Reality is: If Russia wanted to change the status quo unitarily, Austria
and Britain, possible France would not allow it. If Austria or Prussia
wanted to change what's on the ground, Russia or France, aided by Britain
would have opposed it; And Britain, being the balancing wheel, wanted
nothing from Europe but the continued fragmentation of Europe (she's
practicing the same policy today.): she'd support any nation against anybody
else trying to change the balance of power, with her industrial economy and
naval power, she could practice what she preached. | z*******3
发帖数: 13709 | 6 斯堪的纳维亚那个鬼地方
最早就是日尔曼人的老巢
哪个民族没事“殖民”自己老巢？ | s*****V
发帖数: 21731 | 7 根本就是没有力量，瑞典也是当年的欧洲强国，古斯塔夫还能跑到德意志烧杀抢掠。
【在 z*******3 的大作中提到】
: 斯堪的纳维亚那个鬼地方
: 最早就是日尔曼人的老巢
: 哪个民族没事“殖民”自己老巢？
| c****d
发帖数: 1817 | 8 兔子都不拉屎的地方，不值得
【在 S****e 的大作中提到】
: 当年英法德，算上再早的葡西
: 为了资源/市场/移民，满世界抢殖民地，
: 除了亚非拉，东欧南欧也被殖民
: 为啥北欧没人碰？
: 资源丰富，人口稀少
: 难道是太冷了？
| N***i
发帖数: 4104 | 9 “殖民”的定义是啥？
英格兰国王统治爱尔兰，算不算英国殖民爱尔兰。苏格兰国王统治英格兰，算不算苏格
兰殖民英格兰？瑞典国王统治挪威，算不算瑞典殖民挪威？
【在 S****e 的大作中提到】
: 当年英法德，算上再早的葡西
: 为了资源/市场/移民，满世界抢殖民地，
: 除了亚非拉，东欧南欧也被殖民
: 为啥北欧没人碰？
: 资源丰富，人口稀少
: 难道是太冷了？
| S****e
发帖数: 10596 | 10 谢谢！
写了这么多字
真不容易
different
entities
earlier
they
【在 q*******2 的大作中提到】
: Well, for starters, European nations were not colonized. Being part of a
: multi-ethic empire is one thing, turning into a colony is a whole different
: matter (once nationalistic feeling started to dominate and nation state
: started to replace kindgom and empires as the predominant political entities
: , empires just wouldn't survive, Europe just, due to geopolitical reality,
: geographical proximity and the fact that Europe got enlightened way earlier
: than the rest of the world, even the most backward, comparably speaking,
: region of Europe: Russia, got way ahead of anywhere else.). Did you see
: battalions of ethnic Germans/French/Britons in East/Southern Europe? (they
: would not have got into such a mess they're facing now if they got half of
| J*****2
发帖数: 498 | 11 这是人种的智力决定的，北欧人口少，但比南欧人智力高，南欧温暖，文明开化的早，
但后劲不行，这是大环境决定的。同样的比较东北亚和东南亚也是一样的。中日韩是世
界智商最高的人种，东南亚和非洲及拉美或澳洲土人虽然居住在气候温暖的地方但智力
都难以超过极地未和外界接触的不开化的爱斯基摩人。植物和动物界也一样，胡萝卜成
长很快，但成长期短，永远成不了人参。周围的黑人小孩3岁就能上街到7-11买slurpy
了，在swing上能搞高难度了，身体和大脑成熟度超过国人很多，但到了20几岁脑细胞
就停止增长了，而科研上发现日本人到了30岁脑细胞还在增长。关于这个话题人类已经
开展了很多研究。网上很多讨论。 |
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