o****g
发帖数: 657 | 1 now are faced with two offers.
1. penn biostat m.s.
cost 80k for 2 yrs
projected income after graduation. 60~80k/yr
2. gtown j.d.
cost 200k for 3 yrs
projected income after graduation. (too timid to say bcz u guys r mean)
which one should i choose?
btw, language is NOT a problem. |
D******D
发帖数: 1022 | 2 if money and language is not a problem, go for law, my concern is only MS in
Bio nowadays is somewhat inadequate assuming you want to practice Patent
law after graduation |
d********e
发帖数: 2221 | 3 gtown for sure.
it won't cost 200k. 130k for tuition. you have living expenses no matter
you go to school or not. you can have summer associate positions that pay
about $2000 a week. |
o****g
发帖数: 657 | 4 more like over 140k for tuition now...
it's a big investment & commitment, n my parents really do not care for the
risk.
and since am an international student, who is NOT eligible for essentially
any financial support int he U.S. wondering if anybody has ever taken a loan
from banks in China?
【在 d********e 的大作中提到】
: gtown for sure.
: it won't cost 200k. 130k for tuition. you have living expenses no matter
: you go to school or not. you can have summer associate positions that pay
: about $2000 a week.
|
b****z
发帖数: 4485 | |
D******D
发帖数: 1022 | 6 obvious not, he said he is not eligible for any financial support
【在 b****z 的大作中提到】
: do you have green card?
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o****g
发帖数: 657 | 7 Not necessarily. That used to be my primary goal of going to law school,
however, circumstances changed, and I am currently leaning towards business/
corporate law. (merging, acquisition, etc)
one major concern of my family and of me, is what the job market is like for
gtown graduates (assuming I will be able to graduate, which I'm not
entirely sure anymore bcz of the limited funding). For a lot of people like
my parents, the risks seem too big for me to take.
Can anybody please shed some light on the employment prospects of a j.d.
from gtown? (assuming I am a mediocre student with median gpa, which i don't
think i am, but for the sake of expectation management, assuming that I am)
and another very important question, living expenses in dc are prohibitively
high, is there any way to lower this part of the cost?
last but not least, what is the chance of getting a summer assoc position
with decent payment for gtown l1 law student? (again, assuming academic
mediocrity)
some of these questions may seem naive and even insultingly jejune, but i am
making a sizable gamble with my family's money and future, therefore, I
want to be accurate about certain facts before i dive into the legal
profession.
Any answers to any of these questions will be whole-heartedly welcome and I
really appreciate your insight and input on this decision.
Thank you all.
in
【在 D******D 的大作中提到】
: if money and language is not a problem, go for law, my concern is only MS in
: Bio nowadays is somewhat inadequate assuming you want to practice Patent
: law after graduation
|
D******D
发帖数: 1022 | 8 Job market for law is terrible terrible right now,IP is doing slight better
than the other fields.
It goes back how strong your language ability is, if you are as good as
native speaker, a median student at GTLC should land a pretty decent summer
association position.
Living expenses in dc is not too bad, all the major law market is around
major metropolitan area, think about bay area, boston, new york. (Dallas is
maybe the only exception).
Just for your consideration, a few friends of mine are biostat, they are
comfortably making 95-115K a year with excellent healthcare benefits.
business/
for
like
't
am)
【在 o****g 的大作中提到】
: Not necessarily. That used to be my primary goal of going to law school,
: however, circumstances changed, and I am currently leaning towards business/
: corporate law. (merging, acquisition, etc)
: one major concern of my family and of me, is what the job market is like for
: gtown graduates (assuming I will be able to graduate, which I'm not
: entirely sure anymore bcz of the limited funding). For a lot of people like
: my parents, the risks seem too big for me to take.
: Can anybody please shed some light on the employment prospects of a j.d.
: from gtown? (assuming I am a mediocre student with median gpa, which i don't
: think i am, but for the sake of expectation management, assuming that I am)
|
o****g
发帖数: 657 | 9 my english is almost indistinguishable from that of a native speaker (not an
exaggerated claim)
the projected living expenses in DC are 24k/yr, which is still a significant
amount if you ask me.
and again, the total funding from my family will only be 140k, which means I
practically have to come up with another 60~70k during law school on my own
. If not my education will become an inexorable burden on my family.
now the question becomes, with aforementioned credentials&limitations, do
you think a legal education in gtown is viable, and perhaps more importantly
, worthwhile?
P.S. I really appreciate your interest in my problem and I am grateful that
you are patient with me.
better
summer
is
【在 D******D 的大作中提到】
: Job market for law is terrible terrible right now,IP is doing slight better
: than the other fields.
: It goes back how strong your language ability is, if you are as good as
: native speaker, a median student at GTLC should land a pretty decent summer
: association position.
: Living expenses in dc is not too bad, all the major law market is around
: major metropolitan area, think about bay area, boston, new york. (Dallas is
: maybe the only exception).
: Just for your consideration, a few friends of mine are biostat, they are
: comfortably making 95-115K a year with excellent healthcare benefits.
|
m******o
发帖数: 3372 | 10 no financial aid at all?
an
significant
I
own
importantly
【在 o****g 的大作中提到】
: my english is almost indistinguishable from that of a native speaker (not an
: exaggerated claim)
: the projected living expenses in DC are 24k/yr, which is still a significant
: amount if you ask me.
: and again, the total funding from my family will only be 140k, which means I
: practically have to come up with another 60~70k during law school on my own
: . If not my education will become an inexorable burden on my family.
: now the question becomes, with aforementioned credentials&limitations, do
: you think a legal education in gtown is viable, and perhaps more importantly
: , worthwhile?
|
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o****g
发帖数: 657 | 11 A coordinator from the FA office at GTOWN contacted me saying that they are
sending out scholarship awards now, but I have received no email so far
regarding that matter. therefore, I am planning under the assumption that I
will not be receiving any financial aid from gtlc.
I am drafting an email advocating my case and inquiring about the
possibilities of partial funding for me. however, i am not sure who is the
person to contact or to whom i address these issues. A little discombublated
and discouraged right now.
【在 m******o 的大作中提到】
: no financial aid at all?
:
: an
: significant
: I
: own
: importantly
|
o****g
发帖数: 657 | 12 better
can you please elaborate on this matter a bit? among gtown graduates, what
is the chance (numerically) for non-gc-holders to find a job? what is the
expected salary? will the income cover the debt invoked by tuition/living
expenses in law school? What is the absolute worst case scenario? and what
is the chance of that happening? (a numerical estimate would be greatly
appreciated for all of the above questions)
summer
is |
D******D
发帖数: 1022 | 13 sorry I am not very familiar with GTLC, regarding this matter you should
directly contact GTLC office to find out and most good school put the stats
on their websites, Just bearing in mind, lots of schools like to exaggerate
those numbers to make them look good.
Did you get aid from any other schools you applied? or is GTLC your only
choice?
【在 o****g 的大作中提到】
: better
: can you please elaborate on this matter a bit? among gtown graduates, what
: is the chance (numerically) for non-gc-holders to find a job? what is the
: expected salary? will the income cover the debt invoked by tuition/living
: expenses in law school? What is the absolute worst case scenario? and what
: is the chance of that happening? (a numerical estimate would be greatly
: appreciated for all of the above questions)
: summer
: is
|
o****g
发帖数: 657 | 14 I did check the career placement page on their website, and naturally, could
not find the percentage of graduates that are successfully employed.
and if what I've been reading is accurate, the career prospect for JD from
GTOWN law is so very bleak right now, that it's unbearably risky for me.
stats
exaggerate
【在 D******D 的大作中提到】
: sorry I am not very familiar with GTLC, regarding this matter you should
: directly contact GTLC office to find out and most good school put the stats
: on their websites, Just bearing in mind, lots of schools like to exaggerate
: those numbers to make them look good.
: Did you get aid from any other schools you applied? or is GTLC your only
: choice?
|
a***a
发帖数: 204 | 15 Chances are you either get a big law job with a $160K+ salary as a first
year or nothing. Check out the link below for percentage of 2011 graduates
who went to big law for top law schools. Bear in mind there were people with
good grades but decided not to go to law firms for various reasons.
http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNLJ.jsp?interactive=true&i
【在 o****g 的大作中提到】
: better
: can you please elaborate on this matter a bit? among gtown graduates, what
: is the chance (numerically) for non-gc-holders to find a job? what is the
: expected salary? will the income cover the debt invoked by tuition/living
: expenses in law school? What is the absolute worst case scenario? and what
: is the chance of that happening? (a numerical estimate would be greatly
: appreciated for all of the above questions)
: summer
: is
|
D******D
发帖数: 1022 | 16 and if what I've been reading is accurate, the career prospect for JD from
GTOWN law is so very bleak right now, that it's unbearably risky for me.
if that is the case, i agree with you, the risk is too high.
could
【在 o****g 的大作中提到】
: I did check the career placement page on their website, and naturally, could
: not find the percentage of graduates that are successfully employed.
: and if what I've been reading is accurate, the career prospect for JD from
: GTOWN law is so very bleak right now, that it's unbearably risky for me.
:
: stats
: exaggerate
|
l********d
发帖数: 443 | 17 1. it's GULC, not GTLC
2. the tuition is more like $130k-$140k, but including living expense, $200k
sounds like a reasonable number
3. summers are paid over $3000 (in the $3000-$3500 range) a week at big law
nowadays, not $2000.
4. No one can guarantee you a job out of law school. That said, you don't
have to make yourself an average student and then take more risk on the job
market. YOU are the most important risk factor, and it's a factor YOU can
control.
5. I agree with alava above that as an international student, you either get
a great job (big law, high pay), or you get nothing (public interest or a
lot other opportunity isn't an option for you). That said, every Chinese
student I know at GULC got that great job, and none of them had mag cum
laude, I believe.
No question there is a risk. The question is whether you dare to take that
risk. |
L*********h
发帖数: 2617 | 18 why would you want to PAY any $ to get a biostat m.s.?
i thought everyone should GET PAID for a bio related program...
anyways, if LZ is female, get $60-80k and stay in the pharm industry is way
better, imo. |
L*********h
发帖数: 2617 | 19
200k
law
job
get
right on.
if LZ's 1st semester GPA is around median, big law 1L summer offer is gone.
if LZ's 1st year GPA is around median, big law 2L summer offer is gone,
which means big law post-graduation offer is gone, too.
that's why many American law students quit law school after the Oct of their
2nd year -- if they don't get a 2L summer offer by the end of the On-Campus
Interviews in the first 2-3 months of their 2nd year, there is no point to
continue law school, because the rest of their investment will be wasted
anyway.
it's the biggest problem with US JD education. about 15 law schools are
currently being sued for class action. law school tuitions were like $800/
yr 20 yrs ago? nowadays, considering the overly, overly high tuition bills,
you either get that big law job, or your future income will not justify the
investment.
【在 l********d 的大作中提到】
: 1. it's GULC, not GTLC
: 2. the tuition is more like $130k-$140k, but including living expense, $200k
: sounds like a reasonable number
: 3. summers are paid over $3000 (in the $3000-$3500 range) a week at big law
: nowadays, not $2000.
: 4. No one can guarantee you a job out of law school. That said, you don't
: have to make yourself an average student and then take more risk on the job
: market. YOU are the most important risk factor, and it's a factor YOU can
: control.
: 5. I agree with alava above that as an international student, you either get
|
L**P
发帖数: 3792 | 20 georgetown是一等法学院的排最后的了，历史上来说是不错的了，尤其是处于dc地区最
好的了
如果没有身份，就像其他人说的，要么搞到高工资的，要么啥都搞不到，因为中间的什
么政府部门法庭之类的没身份基本没戏
那么具体就是你有多大机会搞定高工资的职位了，这谁都不知道，决定于你和当时市场
情况，你自己你可以控制，市场就没法控制了，知道2008年的情况有gtown毕业了是搞
定了大所的职位，但是不幸市场迫使律所裁员，所以就做了2年吧离开。
处于安全考虑，你要想好如果这种情况出现怎么办，有没有backup plan，不管是回国
还是留在这里，都可以，但是要想好出路，或者没想好出路，毕竟很多事情都不能计划
，那也没关系，但是至少心理上准备好了能随机应变
【在 o****g 的大作中提到】
: now are faced with two offers.
: 1. penn biostat m.s.
: cost 80k for 2 yrs
: projected income after graduation. 60~80k/yr
: 2. gtown j.d.
: cost 200k for 3 yrs
: projected income after graduation. (too timid to say bcz u guys r mean)
: which one should i choose?
: btw, language is NOT a problem.
|
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D******D
发帖数: 1022 | 21 because it is a more math program and it is very easy to get a job with
decent pay
way
【在 L*********h 的大作中提到】
: why would you want to PAY any $ to get a biostat m.s.?
: i thought everyone should GET PAID for a bio related program...
: anyways, if LZ is female, get $60-80k and stay in the pharm industry is way
: better, imo.
|
i*******p
发帖数: 297 | 22 whatever happened to master in financial engineering? or MFE whatever that'
s called? is that not hot anymore? now the trend is shifting to Bio Stat?
disclaimer, I am not familiar with either one.
【在 D******D 的大作中提到】
: because it is a more math program and it is very easy to get a job with
: decent pay
:
: way
|
D******D
发帖数: 1022 | 23 Don't really understand your logic here, LZ got biostat offer and I am
answering why people have to pay for biostat program. What on earth has
anything to do with MFE?
that'
【在 i*******p 的大作中提到】
: whatever happened to master in financial engineering? or MFE whatever that'
: s called? is that not hot anymore? now the trend is shifting to Bio Stat?
: disclaimer, I am not familiar with either one.
|
i*******p
发帖数: 297 | 24 息怒, just making conversation, it's been a long day at the office,
.
【在 D******D 的大作中提到】
: Don't really understand your logic here, LZ got biostat offer and I am
: answering why people have to pay for biostat program. What on earth has
: anything to do with MFE?
:
: that'
|
D******D
发帖数: 1022 | 25 take it easy=)
【在 i*******p 的大作中提到】
: 息怒, just making conversation, it's been a long day at the office,
: .
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c**d
发帖数: 3888 | 26 I'd take the JD over biostat any time of the day.
Assuming future earning potential is the largest factor in your decision:
The only good exit for biostats are med school after you've worked in the
industry for some time. But there's no guarantee you will get into a med
school. (Assuming you're an average med school applicant, without knowing
more about you)
You sound like a smart guy and should do average or better at Gtown. Then
your chance of making biglaw is very high. Yes it's a bigger investment,
but it also comes with almost-guaranteed higher return.
I don't think this board is mean. We're just brutally honest to people with
overly optimistic about their future. And I don't think you're one of them. |
o****g
发帖数: 657 | 27 I really appreciate all the insightful input and compassionate advice for my
problem. It has been a hectic week with much, maybe too much,
heartwrenching soul searching. Unfortunately, I do not think it is a
fiscally feasible choice for me to go to law school at the moment without
bankrupting my family or jeopardizing their future financial security.
I have never had any doubt that I have the intelligence and dilligence
necessary and conducive to succeeding in the legal profession, and yet
sometimes one also has to come to terms with the cold hard fact that
intelligence is not the only determinant in life.
A very special person in my life once said to me, "You grow more resilient
with every passing moment in which u haven't given up. Take comfort in Time'
s healing hand." I am, and I believe, eventually, I will.
Much thanks to you all.
I'd take the JD over biostat any time of the day.
Assuming future earning potential is the largest factor in your decision:
The only good exit for biostats are med school after you've worked in the
industry for some time. But there's no guarantee you will get into a med
school. (Assuming you're an average med school applicant, without knowing
more about you)
You sound like a smart guy and should do average or better at Gtown. Then
your chance of making biglaw is very high. Yes it's a bigger investment,
but it also comes with almost-guaranteed higher return.
I don't think this board is mean. We're just brutally honest to people with
overly optimistic about their future. And I don't think you're one of them.
【在 c**d 的大作中提到】
: I'd take the JD over biostat any time of the day.
: Assuming future earning potential is the largest factor in your decision:
: The only good exit for biostats are med school after you've worked in the
: industry for some time. But there's no guarantee you will get into a med
: school. (Assuming you're an average med school applicant, without knowing
: more about you)
: You sound like a smart guy and should do average or better at Gtown. Then
: your chance of making biglaw is very high. Yes it's a bigger investment,
: but it also comes with almost-guaranteed higher return.
: I don't think this board is mean. We're just brutally honest to people with
|
P*****e
发帖数: 271 | 28 GT 30%到大所，所以楼主要确保在30%之内。作为国际学生，也许还要再比30%前一些。
这个不是容易的事。不过LSAT成绩可以作为一个很好的衡量指标，如果是拿大额或全额
奖学金进去的，那估计是在median score之前的。如果要自己给钱，那基本是在靠
median score或者之下的范围之内了。那要追到30%之内，是要脱层皮的，毕竟老外也
有认真读书的，尤其愿意读law school又明知就业市场怎么玩的。所以选择一个相对经
济安全的option，也合理。 |
n*****3
发帖数: 34 | 29 JD, even a Georgetown JD, is no guarantee of a higher return on investment.
The market is far more competitive than a few years ago. The so-called
Biglaw jobs are nearly twice (if not more) as hard to get now. Med school is
a much safer option.
Too many people are dazzled by the high starting salary offered by certain
Biglaw jobs. The fact is that if you don't get one of those jobs (which are
to a large extent, depending on your luck and your first-year grades), your
prospect tend to be limited (e.g., making less than 60k a year with a
demanding schedule). Just like when the stock market peaks, when most people
think an option is great, it is usually already too late. |
z***e
发帖数: 1757 | 30 Go for GULC. If you can't get a job after first year, then quit and go back
to biostat. So for only a year's time and $30-$40K，you get a shot at a good
legal career. Based on what you wrote here, I think you will be all right.
【在 o****g 的大作中提到】
: now are faced with two offers.
: 1. penn biostat m.s.
: cost 80k for 2 yrs
: projected income after graduation. 60~80k/yr
: 2. gtown j.d.
: cost 200k for 3 yrs
: projected income after graduation. (too timid to say bcz u guys r mean)
: which one should i choose?
: btw, language is NOT a problem.
|
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j*******g
发帖数: 188 | 31 Second this. Most likely, you will be just fine with getting offers from big
law firms, like most Chinese JDs graduted from GULC in the past.
back
good
.
【在 z***e 的大作中提到】
: Go for GULC. If you can't get a job after first year, then quit and go back
: to biostat. So for only a year's time and $30-$40K，you get a shot at a good
: legal career. Based on what you wrote here, I think you will be all right.
|
A*********r
发帖数: 8271 | 32 选你喜欢的专业。钱真的不需要看得太重。人生苦短，开心就好。
如果你都没有太喜欢，就选law school。法学院上升的空间还是很大的，而且从业的范围比较广，读个Biostat也不过就是接着做tech，之后想求发展，还是得读个MBA一类的。当然，你从GULC出来，去Big Law应该很容易。但我觉得你不需要盲目迷信Big Law，没去Big law的人也都好好地，如果你看重的是钱，自己开小所有钱的有得是，一抓很多把。（见过一个做malpractice的女的，一个官司赢了，估计律师费就赚了有八百万，也不是名校的，也不是大所的。）而且，你也不见得就会喜欢做公司法或者专利法一类的东西。不需要在上学之前，就定性自己想做啥，反倒会限制自己。
【在 o****g 的大作中提到】
: now are faced with two offers.
: 1. penn biostat m.s.
: cost 80k for 2 yrs
: projected income after graduation. 60~80k/yr
: 2. gtown j.d.
: cost 200k for 3 yrs
: projected income after graduation. (too timid to say bcz u guys r mean)
: which one should i choose?
: btw, language is NOT a problem.
|
z******n
发帖数: 336 | 33 现实中，没钱的人生往往是又苦又长
范围比较广，读个Biostat也不过就是接着做tech，之后想求发展，还是得读个MBA一类
的。当然，你从GULC出来，去Big Law应该很容易。但我觉得你不需要盲目迷信Big Law
，没去Big law的人也都好好地，如果你看重的是钱，自己开小所有钱的有得是，一抓
很多把。（见过一个做malpractice的女的，一个官司赢了，估计律师费就赚了有八百
万，也不是名校的，也不是大所的。）而且，你也不见得就会喜欢做公司法或者专利法
一类的东西。不需要在上学之前，就定性自己想做啥�: 吹够嵯拗谱约骸&#
65533;
【在 A*********r 的大作中提到】
: 选你喜欢的专业。钱真的不需要看得太重。人生苦短，开心就好。
: 如果你都没有太喜欢，就选law school。法学院上升的空间还是很大的，而且从业的范围比较广，读个Biostat也不过就是接着做tech，之后想求发展，还是得读个MBA一类的。当然，你从GULC出来，去Big Law应该很容易。但我觉得你不需要盲目迷信Big Law，没去Big law的人也都好好地，如果你看重的是钱，自己开小所有钱的有得是，一抓很多把。（见过一个做malpractice的女的，一个官司赢了，估计律师费就赚了有八百万，也不是名校的，也不是大所的。）而且，你也不见得就会喜欢做公司法或者专利法一类的东西。不需要在上学之前，就定性自己想做啥，反倒会限制自己。
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A*********r
发帖数: 8271 | 34 做律师，又从GULC毕业，如果真的想赚钱还赚不到的话，那我就真的很无语。
我不觉得没钱的人生会又苦又长。快乐不是钱能带来的，对我而言，只要温饱能满足，
日子就可以了。
【在 z******n 的大作中提到】
: 现实中，没钱的人生往往是又苦又长
:
: 范围比较广，读个Biostat也不过就是接着做tech，之后想求发展，还是得读个MBA一类
: 的。当然，你从GULC出来，去Big Law应该很容易。但我觉得你不需要盲目迷信Big Law
: ，没去Big law的人也都好好地，如果你看重的是钱，自己开小所有钱的有得是，一抓
: 很多把。（见过一个做malpractice的女的，一个官司赢了，估计律师费就赚了有八百
: 万，也不是名校的，也不是大所的。）而且，你也不见得就会喜欢做公司法或者专利法
: 一类的东西。不需要在上学之前，就定性自己想做啥�: 吹够嵯拗谱约骸&#
: 65533;
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D******D
发帖数: 1022 | 35 come on, Berkeley ranking is higher than GULC, but I know several chinese
graduates from berkeley can't land jobs. Maybe because bay area IP market is
much more competitive than DC area which I know nothing about.
【在 A*********r 的大作中提到】
: 做律师，又从GULC毕业，如果真的想赚钱还赚不到的话，那我就真的很无语。
: 我不觉得没钱的人生会又苦又长。快乐不是钱能带来的，对我而言，只要温饱能满足，
: 日子就可以了。
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d****s
发帖数: 90 | 36 Would you mind commenting more on the job prospect from Berkeley as a
Chinese student? I am inclined to attend Berkeley and interested in IP, but
worried if I am making the right decision with your comments
is
【在 D******D 的大作中提到】
: come on, Berkeley ranking is higher than GULC, but I know several chinese
: graduates from berkeley can't land jobs. Maybe because bay area IP market is
: much more competitive than DC area which I know nothing about.
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z******n
发帖数: 336 | 37 for bio/chem IP prosecution, a JD without PhD or master or significant field
experience is less likely to be hired than a PhD without JD but with
slightly IP law experience such as a tech tranfer internship.
And the job market for bio/chem IP is not good at this moment. EE/Computer
is pretty good. But money-wise, why a law firm not a tech company if one is
an engineer? The driving force of the society is still engineers/
entrepreners, not lawyers.
"Chinese" student, do you mean race? At least on the table, it does not
matter.
Do you mean language? English matters here. Chinese is just a plus.
Or do you mean a Chinese citizen without PR or citizenship? Then another
hurdle to jump over, H1B visa.
At the end, it all depends on you.
And honestly, it is too early to think about Berkely before you get an offer
from them. It is very competitive to get in.
but
【在 d****s 的大作中提到】
: Would you mind commenting more on the job prospect from Berkeley as a
: Chinese student? I am inclined to attend Berkeley and interested in IP, but
: worried if I am making the right decision with your comments
:
: is
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D******D
发帖数: 1022 | 38 Berkeley is cheap????
how old are you? did you graduate from law school ten years ago?
Berkeley is one of the most expensive law school nowadays, with in state
tuition around 50,000, 3000 more than Stanford or Harvard.
Your information is a totally out of date.
field
Computer
is
【在 z******n 的大作中提到】
: for bio/chem IP prosecution, a JD without PhD or master or significant field
: experience is less likely to be hired than a PhD without JD but with
: slightly IP law experience such as a tech tranfer internship.
: And the job market for bio/chem IP is not good at this moment. EE/Computer
: is pretty good. But money-wise, why a law firm not a tech company if one is
: an engineer? The driving force of the society is still engineers/
: entrepreners, not lawyers.
: "Chinese" student, do you mean race? At least on the table, it does not
: matter.
: Do you mean language? English matters here. Chinese is just a plus.
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z******n
发帖数: 336 | 39 forgot that CA is broke
Law school rip-off, another education scam
【在 D******D 的大作中提到】
: Berkeley is cheap????
: how old are you? did you graduate from law school ten years ago?
: Berkeley is one of the most expensive law school nowadays, with in state
: tuition around 50,000, 3000 more than Stanford or Harvard.
: Your information is a totally out of date.
:
: field
: Computer
: is
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x********r
发帖数: 70 | 40 What about non-IP fields? Is the job market better now for Chinese JDs?
Berkeley was my dream school! So sad it rejected me.
field
Computer
is
【在 z******n 的大作中提到】
: for bio/chem IP prosecution, a JD without PhD or master or significant field
: experience is less likely to be hired than a PhD without JD but with
: slightly IP law experience such as a tech tranfer internship.
: And the job market for bio/chem IP is not good at this moment. EE/Computer
: is pretty good. But money-wise, why a law firm not a tech company if one is
: an engineer? The driving force of the society is still engineers/
: entrepreners, not lawyers.
: "Chinese" student, do you mean race? At least on the table, it does not
: matter.
: Do you mean language? English matters here. Chinese is just a plus.
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z******n
发帖数: 336 | 41 no idea, but heard that bankrupcy is good and employment dispute litigation
is good, since many companies bankrupted and many people are fired or laid
off.
And again, not much meaning or indefinite for so called "Chinese" JDs.
In general, too many JDs/lawyers so job market is going down these years;
however, law is interesting
【在 x********r 的大作中提到】
: What about non-IP fields? Is the job market better now for Chinese JDs?
: Berkeley was my dream school! So sad it rejected me.
:
: field
: Computer
: is
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A*********r
发帖数: 8271 | 42 你这个偷换概念，呵呵。我说的从GULC毕业的律师，真想赚钱，也不会穷到哪。
你说的是Berkey的recent graduate是否能找到IP attorney的工作。IP market好像没
太好。
is
【在 D******D 的大作中提到】
: come on, Berkeley ranking is higher than GULC, but I know several chinese
: graduates from berkeley can't land jobs. Maybe because bay area IP market is
: much more competitive than DC area which I know nothing about.
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D******D
发帖数: 1022 | 43 i did not intend to argue with you, it maybe true GULC graduates can easily
make money.I know nothing about DC market. I am only stating a fact about
berkeley and bay area market condition.
【在 A*********r 的大作中提到】
: 你这个偷换概念，呵呵。我说的从GULC毕业的律师，真想赚钱，也不会穷到哪。
: 你说的是Berkey的recent graduate是否能找到IP attorney的工作。IP market好像没
: 太好。
:
: is
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A*********r
发帖数: 8271 | 44 随便灌水而已。我就是觉得学法律的不会饿死，也不会真的就缺钱缺到什么份儿上就是，只要你肯努力，只要你找到自己适合的方向。我们学校去年一个女生毕业也是找到专利的工作了。
俺自己不是牛校的，觉得牛校的同学还老发愁，实在是没必要。适当担心是好的，想太多了，活着就太累了。
反正bbs的移民律师Tier 4的也有得是，也不缺钱。总而言之，楼主的情形，我会动员去读。不过，如果钱是concern的话，就去读个免费的好了。他既然有GULC的offer，那应该会有学校给他全奖的。
easily
【在 D******D 的大作中提到】
: i did not intend to argue with you, it maybe true GULC graduates can easily
: make money.I know nothing about DC market. I am only stating a fact about
: berkeley and bay area market condition.
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D******D
发帖数: 1022 | 45 totally agree
是，只要你肯努力，只要你找到自己适合的方向。我们学校去年一个女生毕业也是找到
专利的工作了。
太多了，活着就太累了。
员去读。不过，如果钱是concern的话，就去读个免费的好了。他既然有GULC的offer，
那应该会有学校给他全奖的。
【在 A*********r 的大作中提到】
: 随便灌水而已。我就是觉得学法律的不会饿死，也不会真的就缺钱缺到什么份儿上就是，只要你肯努力，只要你找到自己适合的方向。我们学校去年一个女生毕业也是找到专利的工作了。
: 俺自己不是牛校的，觉得牛校的同学还老发愁，实在是没必要。适当担心是好的，想太多了，活着就太累了。
: 反正bbs的移民律师Tier 4的也有得是，也不缺钱。总而言之，楼主的情形，我会动员去读。不过，如果钱是concern的话，就去读个免费的好了。他既然有GULC的offer，那应该会有学校给他全奖的。
:
: easily
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n*****3
发帖数: 34 | 46 这倒交代老底了.
啥都不知道还随便灌水的外行之人给advice. 好笑.
"
我就是觉得学法律的不会饿死，也不会真的就缺钱缺到什么份儿上就是，只要你肯努力
，只要你找到自己适合的方向。
"
对, 做啥都不会饿死, 在美国就算餐馆大功一辈子也不会真的就缺钱缺到什么份儿上就
是，只要你肯努力，只要你找到自己适合的方向
说了等于白说.
是，只要你肯努力，只要你找到自己适合的方向。我们学校去年一个女生毕业也是找到
专利的工作了。
【在 A*********r 的大作中提到】
: 随便灌水而已。我就是觉得学法律的不会饿死，也不会真的就缺钱缺到什么份儿上就是，只要你肯努力，只要你找到自己适合的方向。我们学校去年一个女生毕业也是找到专利的工作了。
: 俺自己不是牛校的，觉得牛校的同学还老发愁，实在是没必要。适当担心是好的，想太多了，活着就太累了。
: 反正bbs的移民律师Tier 4的也有得是，也不缺钱。总而言之，楼主的情形，我会动员去读。不过，如果钱是concern的话，就去读个免费的好了。他既然有GULC的offer，那应该会有学校给他全奖的。
:
: easily
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y**n
发帖数: 24 | 47 This is not pointing finger to anyone. But I would like to ask:
As a question poster like LZ, would you like to see someone's advice with
his/her limited knowledge in law, or like to see someone with lots of
knowledge in law but not answering your question at all? |
A*********r
发帖数: 8271 | 48 同学，其一，不是牛校的，就不表示彻底是外行啊。其二，随便灌水一句是针对DANIELSD，因为我说他偷换概念，他说不是跟我argue的，这是个信息论坛，不需要我也不想伤和气。我们学校11年毕业的两个女生都是当年就找到工作的，当然不是大所，但都找到自己想做的工作。其中一个女生还是在异地找到工作的。我们学校是regional school。
生活中很多common sense的东西，大家也并意识不到的，呵呵。现在在上Negotiation的课，就是这么个感觉。楼主的情形，我确实是会如我之前那么分析的。但个人的感觉而已。楼主肯定是risk aversion type的，要是我，根本不会来问建议。我是转行的，在选之前，做过很多research，但是选定之后，就没有后悔过。我之前也说了，楼主如果钱是concern的话，能拿到GULC的offer，就很可能拿得到George Washington的半奖，或者American University的全奖。这样的话，先期投资就是零了。
生物统计的硕士就是个tech degree，上升空间非常有限。长远来看，并不划算。但是如果喜欢，真的未尝不可。我以前就觉得，如果我可以一直能甘心地在实验室做试验，待着其实也蛮好。我同事老板关系处得特别好，每天挺开心的，也颇混到几篇文章。
在美国有个JD学位，可以做的事情很多，不管是从职业发展的上升空间还是赚钱能力的
上升空间比生物统计的硕士还是高多了。
这版上经常发言的，大抵都是在大所做的，其实，在真实生活中，在中小所或者自己做
的很多。在纽约自己开所的真的有得是。NJ的一个Vanderbilt毕业的中国人，开个移民
所，现在就在申选市长。律师的出路真的很多，不是只有大所一条路。最重要的是，你
从事的方向，你所在的工作环境，你自己会喜欢。
发信人: AprilSummer (无语), 信区: Law
标 题: Re: ugh...
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Mar 19 00:15:12 2012, 美东)
选你喜欢的专业。钱真的不需要看得太重。人生苦短，开心就好。
如果你都没有太喜欢，就选law school。法学院上升的空间还是很大的，而且从业的范
围比较广，读个Biostat也不过就是接着做tech，之后想求发展，还是得读个MBA一类的
。当然，你从GULC出来，去Big Law应该很容易。但我觉得你不需要盲目迷信Big Law，
没去Big law的人也都好好地，如果你看重的是钱，自己开小所有钱的有得是，一抓很
多把。（见过一个做malpractice的女的，一个官司赢了，估计律师费就赚了有八百万
，也不是名校的，也不是大所的。）而且，你也不见得就会喜欢做公司法或者专利法一
类的东西。不需要在上学之前，就定性自己想做啥，反倒会限制自己。
【在 n*****3 的大作中提到】
: 这倒交代老底了.
: 啥都不知道还随便灌水的外行之人给advice. 好笑.
: "
: 我就是觉得学法律的不会饿死，也不会真的就缺钱缺到什么份儿上就是，只要你肯努力
: ，只要你找到自己适合的方向。
: "
: 对, 做啥都不会饿死, 在美国就算餐馆大功一辈子也不会真的就缺钱缺到什么份儿上就
: 是，只要你肯努力，只要你找到自己适合的方向
: 说了等于白说.
:
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y*****i
发帖数: 588 | 49
200k
law
job
get
I don't think u know enuf G-town ppl then...
【在 l********d 的大作中提到】
: 1. it's GULC, not GTLC
: 2. the tuition is more like $130k-$140k, but including living expense, $200k
: sounds like a reasonable number
: 3. summers are paid over $3000 (in the $3000-$3500 range) a week at big law
: nowadays, not $2000.
: 4. No one can guarantee you a job out of law school. That said, you don't
: have to make yourself an average student and then take more risk on the job
: market. YOU are the most important risk factor, and it's a factor YOU can
: control.
: 5. I agree with alava above that as an international student, you either get
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i****y
发帖数: 5184 | 50 mm好久没来了，工作的怎么样？
【在 y*****i 的大作中提到】
:
: 200k
: law
: job
: get
: I don't think u know enuf G-town ppl then...
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