d********d
发帖数: 147 | 1 我请了一个review比较好的inspector, 当天早上他就用了2个小时看，花大约半小时给
我解说一下，当天中午就给了报告。
本来还担心他inspect的时候，我没在现场，但报告出来，发现他检查得还是很细。大
大小小有差不多30个要修的，也不是很严重的问题，但项目包括房顶，墙壁，空调等。
我不太懂这些东西，就要求卖家都要修这些inspector推荐修的项目。
可是我的buyer agent, （seller agent推荐的，不是自己找的buyer agent), 她就不
高兴了，blabla,说卖家不可能给你都修的，只能修主要的项目。 我想，卖家修不修，
你应该先问卖家，再找我negotiate, 而不是一开始就要求我少修项目。
这个房子我给了listing price 更高的价格，卖家想卖给我们，然后买他的新房子，
close后还住一个星期，我觉得我已经让步很多了，这房子要修的事情，就是应该修好
，否则我也没那时间和精力去弄。
当然，我也考古了一下，好像卖家能同意修一半就不错了。
请问这里的牛人们，我应该怎么去negotiate? |
H*V
发帖数: 2770 | 2 1.你觉得你的情况卖家会有时间给你修吗？
2.你买的是旧房子，你觉得都修的跟新的一样是这个价吗 |
c****o
发帖数: 32446 | 3 除非这个房子你根本不想要，不懂事的小妹妹，你就等着把卖家惹毛了，要么合同取消
，要么你自取其辱 |
d********d
发帖数: 147 | 4 那卖家可以给我credit，我找人修啊，这些inspector都说要修，就是要修的项目啊。 |
c****o
发帖数: 32446 | 5 所以不是“修”的事，而是“钱”的事
找一些重要的要求修，卖家可能修，也可能就给credit了事。如果给credit，就是说钱
的大头拿到了。
如果你咄咄逼人，Ｐ大的事，比如灯泡破了要换，都要求“修”，在卖家看来就是不懂
进退的买家，人家除非没有选择才会被你揉捏
买卖房子就是做生意，你得知道尺度
【在 d********d 的大作中提到】
: 那卖家可以给我credit，我找人修啊，这些inspector都说要修，就是要修的项目啊。
|
b**********y
发帖数: 7371 | 6 难得阿胶这么认真连错别字都没有
【在 c****o 的大作中提到】
: 所以不是“修”的事，而是“钱”的事
: 找一些重要的要求修，卖家可能修，也可能就给credit了事。如果给credit，就是说钱
: 的大头拿到了。
: 如果你咄咄逼人，Ｐ大的事，比如灯泡破了要换，都要求“修”，在卖家看来就是不懂
: 进退的买家，人家除非没有选择才会被你揉捏
: 买卖房子就是做生意，你得知道尺度
|
h***y
发帖数: 306 | 7 inspector说要修，也没说必须是卖家负责修呀。都是谈条件而已。report里有的写很
细致的七七八八的小东西，都不值得提。
卖家要是没有别的offer，可能就忍了，再回给你一个他愿意修的list你们慢慢
negotiate。如果有别的offer，可能牛气一些，直接说no了。都有可能。
【在 d********d 的大作中提到】
: 那卖家可以给我credit，我找人修啊，这些inspector都说要修，就是要修的项目啊。
|
b**********y
发帖数: 7371 | 8 可以这么掌握，有关code 和 安全的要求修，cosmetic 和 小的自己修 |
c****o
发帖数: 32446 | 9 有包子吗？
【在 b**********y 的大作中提到】
: 难得阿胶这么认真连错别字都没有
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L**i
发帖数: 22365 | 10 你可以要求，然后房子黄了就move on找下一个 |
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s*******d
发帖数: 2382 | 11 老房子，要修的东西自然多
只能挑主要的去谈，比如电路啊，漏水啊之类的
不可能所有都要求修的，也不可能所有的都可以用来换credit
【在 d********d 的大作中提到】
: 那卖家可以给我credit，我找人修啊，这些inspector都说要修，就是要修的项目啊。
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w******m
发帖数: 226 | 12 我们要求的，买主痛快的都修了。不过我们不到十项。 |
m********s
发帖数: 55301 | 13 不到十项？
换地板
换地毯
换窗户
换房顶
换外墙
换冷暖
6项。
【在 w******m 的大作中提到】
: 我们要求的，买主痛快的都修了。不过我们不到十项。
|
b**********y
发帖数: 7371 | 14 换老喇嘛 - 七项
【在 m********s 的大作中提到】
: 不到十项？
: 换地板
: 换地毯
: 换窗户
: 换房顶
: 换外墙
: 换冷暖
: 6项。
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b**********y
发帖数: 7371 | 15 等着啊， 俺得先活面剁陷
【在 c****o 的大作中提到】
: 有包子吗？
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m********s
发帖数: 55301 | 16 我徒弟李连杰就会收拾了你。
【在 b**********y 的大作中提到】
: 换老喇嘛 - 七项
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w**7
发帖数: 5258 | 17 庆丰外卖不行吗
【在 b**********y 的大作中提到】
: 等着啊， 俺得先活面剁陷
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s*********0
发帖数: 2045 | 18 当然能每项都要求卖家修；
卖家也能每项都不理你不修。
【在 d********d 的大作中提到】
: 我请了一个review比较好的inspector, 当天早上他就用了2个小时看，花大约半小时给
: 我解说一下，当天中午就给了报告。
: 本来还担心他inspect的时候，我没在现场，但报告出来，发现他检查得还是很细。大
: 大小小有差不多30个要修的，也不是很严重的问题，但项目包括房顶，墙壁，空调等。
: 我不太懂这些东西，就要求卖家都要修这些inspector推荐修的项目。
: 可是我的buyer agent, （seller agent推荐的，不是自己找的buyer agent), 她就不
: 高兴了，blabla,说卖家不可能给你都修的，只能修主要的项目。 我想，卖家修不修，
: 你应该先问卖家，再找我negotiate, 而不是一开始就要求我少修项目。
: 这个房子我给了listing price 更高的价格，卖家想卖给我们，然后买他的新房子，
: close后还住一个星期，我觉得我已经让步很多了，这房子要修的事情，就是应该修好
|
b**********y
发帖数: 7371 | 19 jet li那个废物花架子，老子的sig sauer 等着给他开几个眼儿透气
【在 m********s 的大作中提到】
: 我徒弟李连杰就会收拾了你。
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s****a
发帖数: 9912 | 20 房顶，墙壁，空调这些还不多啊，房顶漏水，墙壁有水迹，空调不工作的话
房子可以推倒重盖了 |
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A******6
发帖数: 40 | 21 同意；这些都是几千刀的问题。以后会后悔的
房顶，墙壁，空调这些还不多啊，房顶漏水，墙壁有水迹，空调不工作的话房子可以推
倒重盖了
【在 s****a 的大作中提到】
: 房顶，墙壁，空调这些还不多啊，房顶漏水，墙壁有水迹，空调不工作的话
: 房子可以推倒重盖了
|
z****o
发帖数: 2057 | 22 把你inspector提出来的给大家看看吧，哪些是重要的，哪些是自己随手就干了的。本
人就是home inspector。 |
d********d
发帖数: 147 | 23 inspection report 上提到的，麻烦牛人给看看哪些是必须要修的。
1. Rooftop Material & Condition Further Review: There are spots of granular
covering missing at one or more areas of the roof. This condition is either
from age, manufacturing defect, moisture vapor forcing its way out or from
physical wear. This allows moisture to enter as well and may lead to damage
to the structures below. This covering material protects the asphalt from UV
exposure and damage. Page 6 of Report.
2. Rooftop Material & Condition Repair: There are torn shingles. This may
allow water into the structure causing damage. We recommend repair or
replacement of damaged areas. Location: ridge caps.Page 6 of Report.
3. Rooftop Ventilation Repair: An attic space vent cap on the rooftop was
damaged. We recommend that the damaged vent cap be repaired or replaced.
Page 7 of Report.
4. Rooftop Flashings: Maintenance: One or more of the flashings is not
seated flush with the roof surface and water may enter the structure
potentially causing damage. We recommend seating the flashings flush with
the roof surface.Page 7 of Report.
5. FlashingRubber Repair: One or more of the rubber boot flashing at the
back rooftop DWV pipe were cracked. This condition allows water to enter the
structure and may lead to moisture damage. We recommend that the area
penetrations be repaired as required. Page 8 of Report.
6.Rooftop General Maintenance: The roof surface has moss build-up in some
areas. We recommend removal of moss to minimize damage to the roofing
materials. Page 8 of Report.
7.Roof Drainage Systems. Gutter/Scupper Condition Repair: The gutter that
drains onto the roof is not cut back adequately from the roof surface to
keep debris from blocking the drain. We recommend that the gutters be
modified to allow additional clearance from the roof surface.
Page 9 of Report.
8.Landscaping. Bushes/Trees Conditions Maintenance: The vegetation,
shrubbery and trees are to be kept trimmed a minimum of 12" off of the
building to minimize wear, damage and moisture issues with the structure.
Page 10 of Report.
9 Electrical Panel Wiring Repair: Under fusing, or improperly sized breaker
to wiring was observed in the panel. We recommend the installation of an
appropriately sized circuit protection device. Page 14 of Report.
10. Heating System(s) Condition Safety Concern: The blower interlock switch
is missing or defective. This is a safety device. We recommend the safety
switch be repaired, replaced or installed. Page 18 of Report.
11. Cooling System Conditions:
1)Repair: The air conditioning unit was not producing an acceptable
air temperature differential between the return and supply air inside the
building. The differential or Delta T should fall between 18 and 22 degree's
. The differential observed for the cooling system was 6 degrees. We
recommend a qualified mechanical contractor be retained to evaluate the
cooling/heating system further and make repairs as necessary. Page 18 of
Report.
2)Repair: The AC pad must be at least 3 inches above grade. This is to
ensure that the unit does not have excessive moisture problems due to water
not draining away. This condition may also void the manufactures warranty.
We recommend that the AC pad be placed 3 inches above grade as required.
Page 18 of Report.
12. Laundry Provisions Laundry Conditions. Consult Seller: Appliances and
supply valves were not moved or tested. Consult with the seller for further
information regarding the condition of the appliances and supply valves.
Page 20 of Report.
13. Dryer Vent Conditions Maintenance: Clean the dryer vent yearly or as
needed for fire safety. Fire can start from lint build up. Page 20 of Report.
14.Laundry Room Ventilation. The ventilation will be inadequate once the
solid doors are closed. We want adding louvered doors to the laundry closet
to be done. Page 20 of Report.
15. Master Bathroom: Tub/Shower Faucets Repair: In the master bathroom, the
faucet for the tub/shower was missing its limit stop. We recommend the
faucet be repaired as required. Page 21 of Report.
16. Doors Interior/Exterior Door Conditions Repair: There are several doors
that rubbed on their frames. We recommend adjusting, planing or sanding to
restore the doors to proper function. Page 23 of Report.
17. Ceilings - Walls Ceiling & Wall Conditions Repair: There were several
nail pops, typical as framing dries out, that can be easily repaired. These
are typically only cosmetic in nature. Page 23 of Report.
18.Disposal Conditions Monitor: The garbage disposal was found to be noisy
during operation. This indicated the unit was nearing the end of useful
service life, and we want a replacement. Page 25 of Report.
19. Insulation Condition Repair: Minor areas of the attic insulation was
observed to be displaced/missing in one or more areas. We recommend that the
displaced/missing attic insulation be restored or added as required. Page
27 of Report.
20. Ventilation Condition Note: The bathroom or other fan tubes are blocking
the few roof vents and or they are not positively vented to the outside.
This decreases the amount of attic air able to be moved from the structure
and may lead to moisture related issues. We want to have a roofing
contractor provide proper ventilation for the attic space . Page 27 of
Report.
21. Ground Condition Repair: The crawlspace area was observed to be damp
under the visqueen at one or more of the following locations: central crawl
near access. Water build up can lead to rot, insect infestation and health
related issues. We recommend that a drainage contractor correct the drainage
to prevent water build-up. Page 28 of Report.
22. Drainage The low-point drain was located along the front foundation.
Note: a partial drainage system has been installed along the right and part
of the back foundation wall. This system is a trench with rock and drain
tile. This system does not continue around the foundation and appears to be
installed at the low side of the building. There may still be some drainage
issues with heavy or prolonged rain as we found dampness under the visqueen
at this time. We want to a contractor to evaluate and solve this issue.
Page 28-29 of Report.
23. Ventilation Conditions Repair: Crawlspace ventilation was observed to
have damaged screening which allows rodent entry. We recommend the repair of
any damaged screening. Location: at both sides where pipes penetrate the
vents. Page 29 of Report.
24. Ventilation Conditions Repair: Repair: Crawlspace ventilation was
observed to be below soil level. The bottom of the vent should be 4" above
the soil level. We recommend clearing the vents or adding wells for proper
air flow of the crawl space and adding vent wells as needed to keep soil
away.Page 29 of Report.
25. Walls Siding Condition Repair:
1) Siding damaged was noted on the exterior wall surfaces; if not
repaired further damage will occur. Location: under windows. We recommend
that all damaged wood be repaired or replaced. Page 30 of Report.
2) he exterior wall surfaces were in need of caulking at all cracks,
gaps, and openings. Attention is recommended to guard against water
intrusion and damage; repair as necessary. Page 30 of Report.
3)Walls Repair: All types of exterior siding should be no closer
than six inches (6") above finished grade. Proper installation will help
prevent rot to the structure, moisture entering the house and insect
infestation. Page 30 of Report.
4)The faux stone will wick moisture up the wall to framing which may
cause damage to the structure. We recommend keeping the soil off of the
siding as well as directing all sprinklers away from the siding. Page 30 of
Report.
5)Walls Repair: The exterior wall surfaces were in need of caulking
at all cracks, gaps, and openings. Attention is recommended to guard against
water intrusion and damage; repair as necessary.Page 30 of Report.
26. Trim Condition. Page 32 of Report.
1) Repair: Caulking at the window/door perimeters is needed. Moisture
that gets behind the siding is likely to cause damage or other heath related
issues. Attention to the sealing of perimeters is recommended to keep out
moisture intrusion and insects.
2)Repair: Deterioration of the trim was observed at the exterior trim.
Location: front. We recommend repair of damaged trim.
3) Repair: Caulking at the window/door perimeters is needed. Moisture
that gets behind the siding is likely to cause damage or other heath related
issues. Attention to the sealing of perimeters is recommended to keep out
moisture intrusion and insects. See note above. See note above.
4)Repair: Deterioration of the trim was observed at the exterior trim.
Location: front. We recommend repair of damaged trim. See note above.
5)Repair: Gapped trim is noted at the back. Gaps in trim will
eventually allow moisture and pest intrusion leading to damage to the
building. We recommend that the trim be repaired or replaced as required.
27. Flashing Conditions Repair: Wall flashings are missing. Wall flashings
are to guard against water intrusion and damage. We recommend that any
exterior missing flashing be installed.
【在 z****o 的大作中提到】
: 把你inspector提出来的给大家看看吧，哪些是重要的，哪些是自己随手就干了的。本
: 人就是home inspector。
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z****o
发帖数: 2057 | 24 roof这个没照片没法说，可能就是roof有点老了
panel这个是breaker跟电线不match
空调可能fron少了
。。。
总而言之没有roof漏水，空调不work等大问题
granular
either
damage
UV
【在 d********d 的大作中提到】
: inspection report 上提到的，麻烦牛人给看看哪些是必须要修的。
: 1. Rooftop Material & Condition Further Review: There are spots of granular
: covering missing at one or more areas of the roof. This condition is either
: from age, manufacturing defect, moisture vapor forcing its way out or from
: physical wear. This allows moisture to enter as well and may lead to damage
: to the structures below. This covering material protects the asphalt from UV
: exposure and damage. Page 6 of Report.
: 2. Rooftop Material & Condition Repair: There are torn shingles. This may
: allow water into the structure causing damage. We recommend repair or
: replacement of damaged areas. Location: ridge caps.Page 6 of Report.
|
O*C
发帖数: 649 | 25 看你和seller谁急了。seller急着卖，怎么都好说。你加价买的房子，说明seller不愁
卖，人家可以根本不尿你的repair request |
m****e
发帖数: 173 | 26 我知道楼下有很多id说你不要要求卖家修， 会把offer搞没。
但是我想说你要自己做判断， 首先，你们当地是买家市场还是卖家市场，第二，具体
到你这个房子，是谁更占negotiate的优势。
比如你们哪里能买到就不错了，卖家有好几个offer，你去谈判的余地就很小。
如果卖家其实就你一个offer, 那么你就有的谈，或者你手上的证据很致命。 比如如果
你手上的engineer 的 inspection说 foundation有问题，这种如果你依然决定不walk
away的情况下，你就有筹码谈，因为by law,他的房子重新回市场，这个报告他要放进
disclosure, 别人看到foundation有问题，他房子一定难卖， 降价。
还有一个就是，当时你出价之前，也是拿到了一个卖家给你的disclosure的，你看那里
面的inspection的条款，如果有你现在新的inspection发现了那里面没提到的问题，这
部分相当于在你出价之前，卖家没告诉你存在问题，这是可以谈的部分。 如果是卖家
给你的inspection里已经说了这个问题的存在， 这种卖家不会管，因为你出价之前已
经知道这个问题了，你出的价格包含这个问题的考虑因素了。
【在 d********d 的大作中提到】
: 我请了一个review比较好的inspector, 当天早上他就用了2个小时看，花大约半小时给
: 我解说一下，当天中午就给了报告。
: 本来还担心他inspect的时候，我没在现场，但报告出来，发现他检查得还是很细。大
: 大小小有差不多30个要修的，也不是很严重的问题，但项目包括房顶，墙壁，空调等。
: 我不太懂这些东西，就要求卖家都要修这些inspector推荐修的项目。
: 可是我的buyer agent, （seller agent推荐的，不是自己找的buyer agent), 她就不
: 高兴了，blabla,说卖家不可能给你都修的，只能修主要的项目。 我想，卖家修不修，
: 你应该先问卖家，再找我negotiate, 而不是一开始就要求我少修项目。
: 这个房子我给了listing price 更高的价格，卖家想卖给我们，然后买他的新房子，
: close后还住一个星期，我觉得我已经让步很多了，这房子要修的事情，就是应该修好
|
d********d
发帖数: 147 | 27 卖家disclosure写的基本是正常，这次inspection结果包括了roof, wall, crawl
space, heating and cooling, attic 等这些问题，inspector说这些也是正常wear
and tear. 我要求contractor 对这些问题进一步评估并且quote，要修多少钱也心里有
个数。然后看看seller能做出多少让步。 虽然这个房子我是加钱给的offer，但卖家是
准备close这个房子，然后马上close他新买的房子，另外找的agent, 是dual agent,估
计她们也不想这个买卖黄了。 我刚把中间8项给去掉了。 但是roof, wall, crawl
space, heating and cooling, attic， electrical 这些问题我感觉是必须让
contractor给估价的，卖家可以修，也可以给credit. 不知道我这计划怎样？
walk
【在 m****e 的大作中提到】
: 我知道楼下有很多id说你不要要求卖家修， 会把offer搞没。
: 但是我想说你要自己做判断， 首先，你们当地是买家市场还是卖家市场，第二，具体
: 到你这个房子，是谁更占negotiate的优势。
: 比如你们哪里能买到就不错了，卖家有好几个offer，你去谈判的余地就很小。
: 如果卖家其实就你一个offer, 那么你就有的谈，或者你手上的证据很致命。 比如如果
: 你手上的engineer 的 inspection说 foundation有问题，这种如果你依然决定不walk
: away的情况下，你就有筹码谈，因为by law,他的房子重新回市场，这个报告他要放进
: disclosure, 别人看到foundation有问题，他房子一定难卖， 降价。
: 还有一个就是，当时你出价之前，也是拿到了一个卖家给你的disclosure的，你看那里
: 面的inspection的条款，如果有你现在新的inspection发现了那里面没提到的问题，这
|
t******a
发帖数: 697 | 28 我看没戏
楼主要有move on的准备
【在 d********d 的大作中提到】
: 卖家disclosure写的基本是正常，这次inspection结果包括了roof, wall, crawl
: space, heating and cooling, attic 等这些问题，inspector说这些也是正常wear
: and tear. 我要求contractor 对这些问题进一步评估并且quote，要修多少钱也心里有
: 个数。然后看看seller能做出多少让步。 虽然这个房子我是加钱给的offer，但卖家是
: 准备close这个房子，然后马上close他新买的房子，另外找的agent, 是dual agent,估
: 计她们也不想这个买卖黄了。 我刚把中间8项给去掉了。 但是roof, wall, crawl
: space, heating and cooling, attic， electrical 这些问题我感觉是必须让
: contractor给估价的，卖家可以修，也可以给credit. 不知道我这计划怎样？
:
: walk
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i***e
发帖数: 9429 | 29 9 Electrical Panel Wiring Repair: Under fusing, or improperly sized breaker
to wiring was observed in the panel. We recommend the installation of an
appropriately sized circuit protection device. Page 14 of Report.
小事， HD，lowers 等都有卖，小钱。
10. Heating System(s) Condition Safety Concern: The blower interlock switch
is missing or defective. This is a safety device. We recommend the safety
switch be repaired, replaced or installed. Page 18 of Report.
小事。 没几刀钱
11. Cooling System Conditions:
1)Repair: The air conditioning unit was not producing an acceptable
air temperature differential between the return and supply air inside the
building. The differential or Delta T should fall between 18 and 22 degree'
s
. The differential observed for the cooling system was 6 degrees. We
recommend a qualified mechanical contractor be retained to evaluate the
cooling/heating system further and make repairs as necessary. Page 18 of
Report.
如果准备继续下去的话，你需要自己去找执照师傅做评估，然后把报告email 给我如果
你想我帮你看的话，我会教你如何去谈，能拿多少credit 不知道，不过班上有很多成
功的例子，最近一次是几周前一个买房同学的furnace,最后成功的拿到了$3000 credit
(原先估计最多只能拿到2K).
2)Repair: The AC pad must be at least 3 inches above grade. This is
to
ensure that the unit does not have excessive moisture problems due to water
not draining away. This condition may also void the manufactures warranty.
We recommend that the AC pad be placed 3 inches above grade as required.
Page 18 of Report.
这个其实也不是大事，几年用下来的空调都普遍存在这问题。 |
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发帖数: 9912 | 30 你买的老破房吧，这ROOF明显地问题多多，下OFFER前不知道啊 |
