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【美国JRs之声】九指神匠！美球迷热议科比09-10两连冠表现被严重低估，不能忍了！
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Kobe Bryant's 09' and 10' championship runs are criminally underrated (self.
nba)
科比-布莱恩特09和10年的总冠军之旅被惨无人道地低估了
我在湖区看到了一个关于科比09和10年冠军之旅的帖子。这让我开始怀念不少美好的旧
时光，而我也震惊于自己居然忘记了他那时的数据有多出色。出于各种原因，科比是这
个论坛里最招黑的球员之一，围绕着他的职业生涯有着各种故事。人们对待他，就好像
他是奥拉朱旺身边的肯尼史密斯一样，而加索尔才是队里真正的“最佳球员”。
季后赛旅程的数据:
科比-布莱恩特的季后赛数据:
(2009): 30.2/5.5/5.3/1.7/0.9 命中率 46/35/88 (场均40分钟)
(2010): 29.2/6.0/5.5/1.3/0.7 命中率 46/37/84 (场均40分钟)
科比-布莱恩特的总决赛数据:
(2009): 32.4/7.4/5.6/1.4/1.4 命中率 43/36/84 (场均44分钟)
(2010): 28.6/8.0/3.9/2.1/0.7 命中率 41/32/88 (场均41分钟)
把他和他的帮手们的季后赛数据放在一起:
科比-布莱恩特 - 30/6/5 场均40分钟
保罗-加索尔 - 19/11/3 场均40分钟
奥多姆 - 11/9/2 场均30分钟
费舍尔 - 9/2/2 场均29分钟
拜纳姆 - 7/5 场均20分钟
阿泰斯特 - 10/4/2 场均36分钟 (只打了其中一年)
阿里扎 - 11/4/2 场均31分钟 (只打了其中一年)
I saw a post in the sidebar from the lakers sub about Kobe's 09 and 10 run.
It brought back a lot of nostalgia and I was genuinely surprised as I forgot
how good his numbers were. For whatever reason Kobe is among the most hated
players on this sub and the narratives around his career. People act as if
he was the Kenny smith to Hakeem olajuwon rockets and that Gasol was the
real "best player" on the team.
Numbers from the run:
Kobe Bryant's playoff stats:
(2009): 30.2/5.5/5.3/1.7/0.9 on 46/35/88 (40mpg)
(2010): 29.2/6.0/5.5/1.3/0.7 on 46/37/84 (40mpg)
Kobe Bryant's Finals stats:
(2009): 32.4/7.4/5.6/1.4/1.4 on 43/36/84 (44mpg)
(2010): 28.6/8.0/3.9/2.1/0.7 on 41/32/88 (41mpg)
Combined playoff run stats for him and his supporting cast:
Kobe Bryant- 30/6/5 in 40 MPG
Pau Gasol- 19/11/3 in 40 MPG
Odom- 11/9/2 in 30 MPG
Fisher- 9/2/2 in 29 MPG
Bynum- 7/5 in 20 MPG
Artest- 10/4/2 in 36 MPG (only 1 run)
Ariza- 11/4/2 in in 31 MPG (only 1 run)
[–]twistedpretzels 510 指標 18小時前
you can add he played with a broken shooting finger.
你可以追加一句，他带着一根折断的投篮手手指打球。
[–]Bunchback 137 指標 14小時前
I feel like half his body was broken for the latter half of his career. And
yet he was still incredible
我觉得在他职业生涯的后半段，他有半个身子都快破碎不堪了。而即便如此，他还是不
可思议的。
[–]Kingsfundraiser 81 指標 13小時前
After he tore his Achilles that year, he mentioned in a post game interview
that he tried to play through it but was physically unable to for obvious
reasons. Kobe was so good that he considered playing on one leg. Insane.
那年他跟腱断裂之后，他在一场赛后采访中提到过，他试图带伤重返比赛过，但出于显
而易见的原因这在生理上是不可能的。科比是如此优秀，以至于他考虑过用一条腿打球
。太疯狂了。
[–]DarkSoulsDarius 33 指標 11小時前
Well he kept playing when he tore his rotator cuff. Went down the down court
, posted up, and shot it up with his left hand and scored.
他在撕裂肩袖之后还是继续打了下去。在球场两端跑来跑去，低位背打，用他的左手出
手投篮，得分。
[–]Spurs BandwagonTuneHD 21 指標 10小時前
Kobe always has been a beast. Always had injuries on his shooting arm and
played through it no matter what. Dude just has a glued together hand at
this point since ball is life. Him tearing his rotator cuff then proceeding
to play only left handed was the most Kobe thing ever.
科比一直是头野兽。伤病一直缠绕着他的投篮手臂，他却不顾一切地带伤打了下去。这
老哥一度用手指粘在一起的手打球，因为篮球就是生命。他撕裂了他的肩袖，然后继续
打球，只用左手，这绝对是最最科比的事情了。
[–]Spurssock_puppet_strings 23 指標 9小時前
What gets me is when he broke his finger he altered his shot to compensate
for it. He didnt just play through injuries, he dissected them and solved
them like puzzles
触动我的地方是，在手指骨折后，他变更了自己的投篮方式以抵消伤病影响。他不只是
强忍伤病出战，他把伤病大卸八块，再像玩解谜游戏般将它们一一化解。
[–]Heat Bandwagonspritehead 162 指標 14小時前
The ridiculous pain tolerance and toughness of Kobe is an underrated part of
his legacy.
不讲道理的撕裂伤痛和科比的强忍，是他的传奇故事里被低估的一环。
[–]Cheryltunt69 77 指標 13小時前
I'll never forget when he dislocated his finger and just had the trainer pop
it in during a break in the game before sprinting back down the court
我永远忘不了，在他手指脱臼后，只是让训练师在暂停时把手指掰回去，就又生龙活虎
地在赛场上冲刺了。
[–]Lakerskobe4forever 90 指標 12小時前
Also his 2008-2010 runs were during the Western Conference of death years.
You had to win 50 games to try to MAKE the playoffs. Kobe bailed us out so
many times in clutch competitions. We didn't need a super team to kick 50
win team's butts. Kobe just fucked the souls of the Suns and Nuggets and
Rockets.
还有，他2008到2010年的连冠之旅是在西部的死亡年代。你必须赢下50场比赛，才能仅
仅迈过季后赛的门槛。科比在关键时刻太多次地力挽狂澜。我们不用建立一支超级球队
去痛扁那些50胜球队。仅靠科比就能蹂躏太阳和掘金和火箭的灵魂。
[–]Mavericksbadoosh123 927 指標 18小時前*
Kobe in general is underrated on this sub.
If you watched the NBA from 2000-2010 you knew that he was the most
unstoppable guard/wing since Jordan. But instead people will just look at
his TS% from Bbref that year and draw their assumptions off that.
在这个论坛上，科比整体上还是被低估了。
如果你看了2000-2010年间的NBA比赛，你就知道他是锋卫线上自乔丹以来最势不可挡的
球员。但人们却只是盯着BBR上他当季的真实命中率，并基于此胡乱推测。
[–]SpursAmbassadorOfChill 48 指標 11小時前
I think it's because of lot of people here started watching the NBA in the
2010's when Kobe started to decline.. but 2000's Kobe is unstoppable..
我觉得这是因为一大群球迷是在2010年后开始看NBA的，而这时科比已经开始衰退了...
但2000年代的科比是不可阻挡的...
[–]Lakersk4f123 23 指標 8小時前
Btw Kobe didn't decline until his injury. He was putting up MVP numbers when
he went down.
补充一下，直到他受伤前科比都并没有衰退。在他倒下之前，他还在不断的打出MVP级
的数据。
[–]Mavericksbadoosh123 78 指標 15小時前
While Kobe only got 1 MVP, he was seen as the best player in the NBA from 03
-08 once Lebron finally took over. Duncan was a close second however and
there were some years in that stretch where he was better than Kobe.
尽管科比只有1个MVP，他还是被看作03-08年联盟中的最佳球员，直到詹姆斯终于接管
了这一头衔。不过邓肯是个接近的第二好球员，而且在那段时间中有几年他是好于科比
的。
[–]RocketsLurkawayzzz 273 指標 17小時前*
He's underrated on this sub and overrated by casuals (or maybe in general).
When some of my friends and I discuss Kobe for example most all of them will
have him top 5 without question and often higher. On r/NBA though I've seen
him at 14th or 15th all time for example and I can't see that. Personally I
'd rank him 10th, but I could see arguments for anywhere between 9-12
他在这个论坛被低估，而被一般球迷（也有可能是整体）高估。比如，当我和我的一些
朋友讨论科比时，他们大多数会把他排在毫无疑问的历史前5，通常还会更高。而在这
，我有时会看见他被排在历史第14或第15，对此我也不能理解。个人而论，我把他排在
历史第10，但我也能理解把他排在第9到12位间任何一位的论述。
[–]Lakerssheeeeeez 161 指標 17小時前
Also we lost in 2008 but Kobe almost "single-handedly gentlemen swept the
defending champs San Antonio Spurs and their core was all essentially in
their prime still. makes me sad that gets overlooked so much. But we hear
about Lebron's game 5 and game 6 so much.
Bill Simmons said that series was the closest Kobe has ever looked to Jordan
并且，尽管我们在2008年总决赛输球，但科比几乎以一己之力很绅士的横扫了卫冕冠军
圣安东尼奥马刺，而他们的核心球员基本上都还在自己的全盛时期。我很伤心这事被如
此轻视。但同时我们又听说过太多遍勒布朗的分区决赛第五场和第六场了。
比尔-西蒙斯说过，那是科比最接近乔丹的一个系列赛了。
[–]methecoolest 81 指標 15小時前
That 49/10 game against the Nuggets in the 08 Playoffs was masterful
08年季后赛，科比对掘金拿下49分10助攻的一战是大师级的。
[–][LAL] Kobe BryantPaladinoras 55 指標 11小時前
I remember that JR Smith was talking mad shit to him that game and in the
postgame conference Kobe said "Better learn not to talk to me. You shake the
tree, a leopard's gonna fall out."
Badass line
我记得JR-史密斯在那场比赛里疯狂地对科比喷垃圾话，而在赛后采访中科比说，“最
好学会别对我讲话。你摇晃大树，于是一头猎豹跃下。”
无敌霸气的一句话呀
[–]Lakers BandwagonMiopTop 212 指標 17小時前
I got absolutely downvoted to hell for saying his 2010 WCF were comparable
to LeBron's 2012 ECF, if not better. As if it were blasphemous.
Kobe 2010 WCF :
33.7 pts - 7.2 reb - 8.3 ast - 0.8 stl - 1.2 blk, just 2.5 TO and 2.2 PFs.
28.8 average GameScore.
All on 64 TS%.
就算没有说科比的2010年西决表现比勒布朗的2012年东决表现好，而只是说这俩可以相
提并论，我都要被点灭点到生活不能自理了。就和这是渎神似的。
科比2010年西决：
33.7分- 7.2板 - 8.3助 - 0.8抢断 - 1.2封盖, 仅仅2.5失误和2.2犯规。28.8的场均
GameScore。
（通过公式计算的球员单场效率值，数值越高打出的效率就越高）
一切都在64%的真实命中率之上。
[–]New Jersey Netsspin1t 143 指標 17小時前
The world just has a ridiculously small attention span. They forget so
easily. Kobe was a legend and put up insane performances. They don't
remember so they'll never know.
这一切仅仅是因为世人的注意力范围小得荒谬。他们遗忘得太快。科比曾是个传奇，拿
出了疯狂不讲道理的表现。他们不去记住这些，于是他们永不会了解。
[–][BOS] Marcus SmartRozfather 50 指標 14小時前
Listen. As a Celtics fan who watched Kobe tear us down in 2010, I have to
say this man in unreal. Him and Lebron have done the most damage to us in my
generation but Kobe is the only player I simply could not come up with a
plausible game plan to stop him. He just willed his team to victory with
shots and plays that regular ball players aren't capable of.
听好了。作为一个眼瞅着科比在2010年把我们撕碎的凯尔特人球迷，我必须说这家伙太
不可思议了。在我的一代，他和勒布朗对我凯造成了最多的伤害，但科比是唯一一个我
想不到任何一种妙招去限制他的球员。他就那么用投篮把他的队伍带向胜利，并打出一
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在说到我凯抹平分差，进入第四节，偶用的是“三英战吕布”。
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