f*****s
发帖数: 104 | 1 Nature虽然道歉了，但在我们看来，道歉非常不诚恳。想发个comment，但Nature现在
关闭了对ye shiwen文章的评论。
While we applaud Nature’s courage and promptness to apologize for its “
combination of errors” for this article, it is extremely disappointing to
see that Nature still stands by its main conclusion - an anomalous
performance by Ye (which implies that all the suspicions are justified).
Many readers pointed out how cherry-picked data blinded Nature and led to an
invalid comparison between Ye Shiwen and Ryan Lochte. And many readers
cited recent examples that the performance of Thorpe and Phelps improved
similarly at a similar age as Ye, showing a ~6-second improvement in one
year is not rare among the elite swimmers.
Now we would like to add some historical data to further substantiate this
argument: a 5-10 second in a year by a top teenaged swimmer may be the norm,
rather than the anomaly.
In the following table, we list the name, nationality, age, world record
time, and improvement of women 400m individual medley – the very game that
Ye Shiwen played in the 2012 London Olympic Games. All data are obtained
from Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_record_progression_400_metres_individual_medley#Women. The swimmers we list meet several criteria: 1) she broke world records at least twice in about a year; 2) she was younger than 18 when she last broke the world record.
Sylvia Ruuska (USA): improved 6.4s from age of 16 to 17
16 27-Jun-58 05:46.6
17 17-Jul-59 05:40.2 6.4
Donna de Varona (USA): improved 9.8s from age of 14 to 15, then increase 9.
8s from age of 15 to 17.
14 11-Aug-61 05:34.5
15 26-Jul-62 05:24.7
17 30-Aug-64 05:14.9
Claudia Kolb (USA): improved 7s from age of 17 to 18
17 09-Jul-67 05:11.7
18 24-Aug-68 05:04.7
Ulrike Tauber (EAST GERMANY): improved 9.6s from age of 17 to 18
17 07-Jun-75 04:52.2
18 24-Jul-76 04:42.8
We agree that extraordinary performance warrants more scrutiny. However,
Nature should realize that its analysis is incomplete at best, and simply
wrong at worst.
We demand Nature clarify what data and statistical analysis, as another
reader, Tao Shi, asked, were used to draw the conclusion. | h**p
发帖数: 377 | 2
Nature虽然道歉了，但在我们看来，道歉非常不诚恳。想发个comment，但Nature现在
关闭了对ye shiwen文章的评论。
While we applaud Nature’s courage and promptness to apologize for its “
combination of errors” for this article, it is extremely disappointing to
see that Nature still stands by its main conclusion - an anomalous
performance by Ye (which implies that all the suspicions are justified).
Many readers pointed out how cherry-picked data blinded Nature and led to an
invalid comparison between Ye Shiwen and Ryan Lochte. And many readers
cited recent examples that the performance of Thorpe and Phelps improved
similarly at a similar age as Ye, showing a ~6-second improvement in one
year is not rare among the elite swimmers.
Now we would like to add some historical data to further substantiate this
argument: a 5-10 second in a year by a top teenaged swimmer may be the norm,
rather than the anomaly.
In the following table, we list the name, nationality, age, world record
time, and improvement of women 400m individual medley – the very game that
Ye Shiwen played in the 2012 London Olympic Games. All data are obtained
from Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_record_progression_400_metres_individual_medley#Women. The swimmers we list meet several criteria: 1) she broke world records at least twice in about a year; 2) she was younger than 18 when she last broke the world record.
Sylvia Ruuska (USA): improved 6.4s from age of 16 to 17
16 27-Jun-58 05:46.6
17 17-Jul-59 05:40.2 6.4
Donna de Varona (USA): improved 9.8s from age of 14 to 15, then increase 9.
8s from age of 15 to 17.
14 11-Aug-61 05:34.5
15 26-Jul-62 05:24.7
17 30-Aug-64 05:14.9
Claudia Kolb (USA): improved 7s from age of 17 to 18
17 09-Jul-67 05:11.7
18 24-Aug-68 05:04.7
Ulrike Tauber (EAST GERMANY): improved 9.6s from age of 17 to 18
17 07-Jun-75 04:52.2
18 24-Jul-76 04:42.8
We agree that extraordinary performance warrants more scrutiny. However,
Nature should realize that its analysis is incomplete at best, and simply
wrong at worst.
We demand Nature clarify what data and statistical analysis, as another
reader, Tao Shi, asked, were used to draw the conclusion.
【在 f*****s 的大作中提到】
: Nature虽然道歉了，但在我们看来，道歉非常不诚恳。想发个comment，但Nature现在
: 关闭了对ye shiwen文章的评论。
: While we applaud Nature’s courage and promptness to apologize for its “
: combination of errors” for this article, it is extremely disappointing to
: see that Nature still stands by its main conclusion - an anomalous
: performance by Ye (which implies that all the suspicions are justified).
: Many readers pointed out how cherry-picked data blinded Nature and led to an
: invalid comparison between Ye Shiwen and Ryan Lochte. And many readers
: cited recent examples that the performance of Thorpe and Phelps improved
: similarly at a similar age as Ye, showing a ~6-second improvement in one
| t***i
发帖数: 204 | 3 我觉得现在的editor‘s note，已经足够了。再细纠Ye’s performance是不是
anomalous，以及是不是imply the suspicions are justified，没有太大意义。你还
要硬让它承认imply了？ 现在能搞的是让Nature为Noah Grey的unprofessional 行为道
歉。 |
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