Y******u
发帖数: 1912 | 1 刚拿到offer，之前觉得名气不大，搜索了一下发现是全世界前几大hedge fund (in
terms of AUM, 29B). 有人知道这个fund的发展和工作环境怎么样吗？ |
a**i
发帖数: 608 | 2 WOW， 最近这板上牛人不断啊，啥职位啊.
这家应该很好
hedge fund 这行你进去就知道，里面人员
流动不像外面想象的那么频繁。基本上进去就不想挪窝了,
不想动说明大家觉得不错贝。
【在 Y******u 的大作中提到】
: 刚拿到offer，之前觉得名气不大，搜索了一下发现是全世界前几大hedge fund (in
: terms of AUM, 29B). 有人知道这个fund的发展和工作环境怎么样吗？
|
Y******u
发帖数: 1912 | 3 Quant
就base来说并不是很高，但有guarantee bonus，不知道bonus怎么样
福利倒是很好
不知道以后往PM走有没有戏
【在 a**i 的大作中提到】
: WOW， 最近这板上牛人不断啊，啥职位啊.
: 这家应该很好
: hedge fund 这行你进去就知道，里面人员
: 流动不像外面想象的那么频繁。基本上进去就不想挪窝了,
: 不想动说明大家觉得不错贝。
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a**i
发帖数: 608 | 4 BASE 第一年会涨得比较多的， 以后增幅递减。
我当时进 FUND 时，给的 BASE 比另外一传统行业的公司给的 OFFER 还低 5K。
不过第一年 BASE 给涨了 15%。 最近几年总的报酬还是比较满意的。
【在 Y******u 的大作中提到】
: Quant
: 就base来说并不是很高，但有guarantee bonus，不知道bonus怎么样
: 福利倒是很好
: 不知道以后往PM走有没有戏
|
s*******n
发帖数: 631 | |
Y******u
发帖数: 1912 | 6 美国top IT master 1年银行FO IT
【在 s*******n 的大作中提到】
: 求背景
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Y******u
发帖数: 1912 | 7 你还在那做吗？
【在 a**i 的大作中提到】
: BASE 第一年会涨得比较多的， 以后增幅递减。
: 我当时进 FUND 时，给的 BASE 比另外一传统行业的公司给的 OFFER 还低 5K。
: 不过第一年 BASE 给涨了 15%。 最近几年总的报酬还是比较满意的。
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m**********4
发帖数: 774 | 8 同赞大牛啊！
你拿到的是什么职位？
另外，弱弱地问，你说的IT，是指象CMU的MISM那样的IT，还是指EECS？
【在 Y******u 的大作中提到】
: 美国top IT master 1年银行FO IT
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Y******u
发帖数: 1912 | 9 Not EECS, Quant
【在 m**********4 的大作中提到】
: 同赞大牛啊！
: 你拿到的是什么职位？
: 另外，弱弱地问，你说的IT，是指象CMU的MISM那样的IT，还是指EECS？
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S***w
发帖数: 1014 | 10 恭喜
【在 Y******u 的大作中提到】
: Not EECS, Quant
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m****s
发帖数: 7397 | 11 祝贺你 恭喜
希望你会喜欢新工作
那个职位空了很久了， 2 年前有朋友拿到后，苦恼无比地来找我咨询
。。。
。。。
。。。
。。。
最后他决定不去了。。。因为有其他选择。
我祝你好运！！！ |
Y******u
发帖数: 1912 | 12 Thanks
【在 m****s 的大作中提到】
: 祝贺你 恭喜
: 希望你会喜欢新工作
: 那个职位空了很久了， 2 年前有朋友拿到后，苦恼无比地来找我咨询
: 。。。
: 。。。
: 。。。
: 。。。
: 最后他决定不去了。。。因为有其他选择。
: 我祝你好运！！！
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s*******n
发帖数: 631 | 13 看楼主的背景 主要优势是
IT SKills么?
programming skills? |
h****e
发帖数: 2125 | 14 现在矿工已经IT化到这种地步了么？
【在 s*******n 的大作中提到】
: 看楼主的背景 主要优势是
: IT SKills么?
: programming skills?
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J*****n
发帖数: 4859 | 15
你说话不这么mean会死啊。
【在 h****e 的大作中提到】
: 现在矿工已经IT化到这种地步了么？
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h****e
发帖数: 2125 | 16 楼主一个CS master加一年IT经验都能去做quant，这不是IT化是什么？这也叫mean？？
？你也太脆弱了吧，听见一句不爱听的就跳老高。
【在 J*****n 的大作中提到】
:
: 你说话不这么mean会死啊。
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L******g
发帖数: 1371 | 17 哟，
说你mean 你就不高兴了？
我还觉得你特二呢。
【在 h****e 的大作中提到】
: 楼主一个CS master加一年IT经验都能去做quant，这不是IT化是什么？这也叫mean？？
: ？你也太脆弱了吧，听见一句不爱听的就跳老高。
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z****g
发帖数: 1978 | 18 有些不该说的还是不要说
【在 h****e 的大作中提到】
: 现在矿工已经IT化到这种地步了么？
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m**********4
发帖数: 774 | 19 楼主不是CS MASTER，是MISM MS （国内叫做信息管理系统），具体可以参考CMU HEINZ
SCHOOL 下的，和CS是不一样的。我知道很多人去WALL STREET啊，不过大多数是后台
。所以楼主还是很厉害的
【在 h****e 的大作中提到】
: 楼主一个CS master加一年IT经验都能去做quant，这不是IT化是什么？这也叫mean？？
: ？你也太脆弱了吧，听见一句不爱听的就跳老高。
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h****e
发帖数: 2125 | 20 你教育好了也就是个流氓。
【在 L******g 的大作中提到】
: 哟，
: 说你mean 你就不高兴了？
: 我还觉得你特二呢。
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Y******u
发帖数: 1912 | 21 So you think 1 - 1.5 year MFE is enough for quant? I don't think I know less
about quant/finance than fresh graduate MFE, especially in practical area.
You can be quant as long as you are smart and have enough passion.
【在 h****e 的大作中提到】
: 楼主一个CS master加一年IT经验都能去做quant，这不是IT化是什么？这也叫mean？？
: ？你也太脆弱了吧，听见一句不爱听的就跳老高。
|
Y******u
发帖数: 1912 | 22 Programming and intuition. I think the latter is more important.
【在 s*******n 的大作中提到】
: 看楼主的背景 主要优势是
: IT SKills么?
: programming skills?
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h****e
发帖数: 2125 | 23
intuition? what is that?
【在 Y******u 的大作中提到】
: Programming and intuition. I think the latter is more important.
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Y******u
发帖数: 1912 | 24 When you get a problem that have no idea and never touch before, what's your
approach to solve it.
【在 h****e 的大作中提到】
:
: intuition? what is that?
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d*j
发帖数: 13780 | 25 oh, street smart, or "Think out of the box"
hehe
your
【在 Y******u 的大作中提到】
: When you get a problem that have no idea and never touch before, what's your
: approach to solve it.
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Y******u
发帖数: 1912 | 26 Thanks for your suggestion. I know the core quant job (like pricing)
requires PhD level people but I'm not interested in that. Most traders/PM I
know just have BS/MBA degree with some low level analytical work. Most
automatic trading strategies also just involve college level math and some
solid programming algos.
【在 h****e 的大作中提到】
:
: intuition? what is that?
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m**********4
发帖数: 774 | 27 这个世界上除了PROFESSOR，啥工作真正需要PHD的？
【在 h****e 的大作中提到】
:
: intuition? what is that?
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j*********5
发帖数: 1 | 28 我跟大家赌$1，这货绝对是个loser, 找quant工作被羞辱了无数次，然后心理变态，天
天躲在黑暗
中以贬低别人获得高潮，可怜可悲
【在 h****e 的大作中提到】
: 你教育好了也就是个流氓。
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d*j
发帖数: 13780 | 29 ft ....
in big bank, there are always hard core quant groups
although may not be a big group, but they are important, and needs Ph.Ds to
do research.
They do the hard math, some IT do the programming, generate excel add-in
then desk quant, will just call those functions in excel spreadsheet, only
need to input some numbers, hehe
【在 m**********4 的大作中提到】
: 这个世界上除了PROFESSOR，啥工作真正需要PHD的？
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L******g
发帖数: 1371 | 30 呵呵，excel用好了也无敌呀。
Ph.Ds to
add-in
only
【在 d*j 的大作中提到】
: ft ....
: in big bank, there are always hard core quant groups
: although may not be a big group, but they are important, and needs Ph.Ds to
: do research.
: They do the hard math, some IT do the programming, generate excel add-in
: then desk quant, will just call those functions in excel spreadsheet, only
: need to input some numbers, hehe
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k*****a
发帖数: 7389 | 31 大家都误会了饭坚强，他的意思是说Quant的IT化是个好的进步 |
m**********4
发帖数: 774 | 32 师兄能否讲讲为啥非要PHD呢？需要PHD的什么SKILL SET呢？
我以前很CYNICAL 地觉得这些地方要求PHD一是为了炫耀，说我们有多少多少PHD，糊弄
吓唬不懂的人。二是提高门槛，申请人太多了。公司只在乎选出一些人，根本不在乎被
淘汰的有没有牛人。管他呢，用PHD煞掉一些人。至于工作性质，本科生肯定能胜任。
其实GOOGLE，等等很多地方都一样，咱这边很多CS PHD都是去当码工。其实很多CS PHD
阶段也不怎么编程序的。
我是不是太CYNICAL了？？请批评指正。
to
【在 d*j 的大作中提到】
: ft ....
: in big bank, there are always hard core quant groups
: although may not be a big group, but they are important, and needs Ph.Ds to
: do research.
: They do the hard math, some IT do the programming, generate excel add-in
: then desk quant, will just call those functions in excel spreadsheet, only
: need to input some numbers, hehe
|
a********e
发帖数: 508 | 33 我猜其实很多master也行，但是phd里能胜任的人更多一点
PHD
【在 m**********4 的大作中提到】
: 师兄能否讲讲为啥非要PHD呢？需要PHD的什么SKILL SET呢？
: 我以前很CYNICAL 地觉得这些地方要求PHD一是为了炫耀，说我们有多少多少PHD，糊弄
: 吓唬不懂的人。二是提高门槛，申请人太多了。公司只在乎选出一些人，根本不在乎被
: 淘汰的有没有牛人。管他呢，用PHD煞掉一些人。至于工作性质，本科生肯定能胜任。
: 其实GOOGLE，等等很多地方都一样，咱这边很多CS PHD都是去当码工。其实很多CS PHD
: 阶段也不怎么编程序的。
: 我是不是太CYNICAL了？？请批评指正。
:
: to
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S*********g
发帖数: 5298 | 34 PhD的受过做research的训练
这个和简单的做活还是有些不同的。
PHD
【在 m**********4 的大作中提到】
: 师兄能否讲讲为啥非要PHD呢？需要PHD的什么SKILL SET呢？
: 我以前很CYNICAL 地觉得这些地方要求PHD一是为了炫耀，说我们有多少多少PHD，糊弄
: 吓唬不懂的人。二是提高门槛，申请人太多了。公司只在乎选出一些人，根本不在乎被
: 淘汰的有没有牛人。管他呢，用PHD煞掉一些人。至于工作性质，本科生肯定能胜任。
: 其实GOOGLE，等等很多地方都一样，咱这边很多CS PHD都是去当码工。其实很多CS PHD
: 阶段也不怎么编程序的。
: 我是不是太CYNICAL了？？请批评指正。
:
: to
|
d*j
发帖数: 13780 | 35 我读那些 research paper, 公司内部发的
什么 vol skew 啊 什么 sabr model 啊
还是 Ph.D 来的好
负责这些 research 的， 还有那些 model review model validation, 大部分都是 Ph
.D 我觉得也确实需要 Ph.D
PHD
【在 m**********4 的大作中提到】
: 师兄能否讲讲为啥非要PHD呢？需要PHD的什么SKILL SET呢？
: 我以前很CYNICAL 地觉得这些地方要求PHD一是为了炫耀，说我们有多少多少PHD，糊弄
: 吓唬不懂的人。二是提高门槛，申请人太多了。公司只在乎选出一些人，根本不在乎被
: 淘汰的有没有牛人。管他呢，用PHD煞掉一些人。至于工作性质，本科生肯定能胜任。
: 其实GOOGLE，等等很多地方都一样，咱这边很多CS PHD都是去当码工。其实很多CS PHD
: 阶段也不怎么编程序的。
: 我是不是太CYNICAL了？？请批评指正。
:
: to
|
m**********4
发帖数: 774 | 36 呵呵，那是，读枯燥PAPER的训练，是PHD阶段不可少的。多谢师兄举例,也多谢搂上两位。是我太
CYNICAL了。。我一直觉得WALL STREET是个非常爱面子的地方，招PHD纯粹是为了面子
，PHD去了也是COPY AND PASTE， 哈哈。
Ph
【在 d*j 的大作中提到】
: 我读那些 research paper, 公司内部发的
: 什么 vol skew 啊 什么 sabr model 啊
: 还是 Ph.D 来的好
: 负责这些 research 的， 还有那些 model review model validation, 大部分都是 Ph
: .D 我觉得也确实需要 Ph.D
:
: PHD
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d*j
发帖数: 13780 | 37 对 buy side 来说 可能是的
如果客户不大知道， 但是非要来写 quant 的东西
就把这些 Ph.D title research 都写上
然后那些高阶导数都上， 保证客户晕乎乎的
【在 m**********4 的大作中提到】
: 呵呵，那是，读枯燥PAPER的训练，是PHD阶段不可少的。多谢师兄举例,也多谢搂上两位。是我太
: CYNICAL了。。我一直觉得WALL STREET是个非常爱面子的地方，招PHD纯粹是为了面子
: ，PHD去了也是COPY AND PASTE， 哈哈。
:
: Ph
|
f*******g
发帖数: 377 | 38 大部分？好像全部都是吧
Ph
【在 d*j 的大作中提到】
: 我读那些 research paper, 公司内部发的
: 什么 vol skew 啊 什么 sabr model 啊
: 还是 Ph.D 来的好
: 负责这些 research 的， 还有那些 model review model validation, 大部分都是 Ph
: .D 我觉得也确实需要 Ph.D
:
: PHD
|
d*j
发帖数: 13780 | 39 恩。。。。 我认识的全是， 但是大部分我都不认识
呵呵， 肯定有例外的
【在 f*******g 的大作中提到】
: 大部分？好像全部都是吧
:
: Ph
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m**********4
发帖数: 774 | 40 我再弱弱地问，PHD是不是里面最穷的啊？IBD， TRADER好象都不用PHD ：（
我问题太弱了，多谢大牛啊。
【在 d*j 的大作中提到】
: 恩。。。。 我认识的全是， 但是大部分我都不认识
: 呵呵， 肯定有例外的
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d*j
发帖数: 13780 | 41 也许吧。。。。
所以大牛们都去 HF 啦， 去 quant trader 呵呵
【在 m**********4 的大作中提到】
: 我再弱弱地问，PHD是不是里面最穷的啊？IBD， TRADER好象都不用PHD ：（
: 我问题太弱了，多谢大牛啊。
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m**********4
发帖数: 774 | 42 再弱弱地问，读了PHD就一定不能当TRADER吗？一定要本科／MS吗？
我弱死了！
【在 d*j 的大作中提到】
: 也许吧。。。。
: 所以大牛们都去 HF 啦， 去 quant trader 呵呵
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h****e
发帖数: 2125 | 43
this is indeed a silly question, but i guess most ppl who are not in
this industry don't know the answer. on the contrary to what u might
think, there's absolutely no standard qualification requirements for
traders: there are traders with high school diploma, there are traders
with IVY phd, there are traders who used to be programmers, dentists,
lawyers...
many ppl consider themselves smart enough to obtain a Ph.D. from a world
class school so they can be good traders, this is very wrong. many nerds
got wiped out right after they start trading. a trader doesn't need to
know any advanced math, but he does need to understand the market and
know how to gamble; to excel he also needs a lot of good luck. many
traders started trading at high school, they learnt many lessons in hard
way.
u must wonder how glorious a trader's life is, here's a quote from a
true day trader:
"
People like to see daytraders as sucessful, happy, rich men with
lamborghini, who spend their days doing 3 trades and making $100,000,
then the entire evening drinking martinis with top models, while
enjoying private jets and the best restaurants.
Nothing can be further from the truth.
I'm lonely, VERY lonely. My daytrading has lost me much of my friends.
The constant stress has made me almost entirely bald and I already have
blood problems (high pressure). I used to be very fat and alcoholic. I
lost my girlfriend - even with all the money I had. I could spend 3 days
without seeing anyone just not knowing what to do after a large loss.
Sometimes I could eat a lot and for some days I just wouldn't be hungry.
Some days I made a lot and would go wasting money with $500 bottles and
fake friends who loved my money. Now that I think of it, Daytrading has
lost me most of what I had. The years I've spent trading has wasted my
youth for sure. The best years of my life has been spent in front of a
computer screen, hoping for a 0.01 uptick. I used to feel old, weak,
tired and sometimes depressed. Daytrading is NOT an ideal life.
I managed to get out of all that mostly by my will - training, yoga, and
travelling. I just want to tell you that while I had a lot of people
jealous at me (omg he makes more than me in 30 mins and I had to work 9-
5 at a shitty job every day!) daytrading is not perfect. Make sure it is
for you before you start. And most of all - keep your private life
completely out of the picture or you won't make it. It took me years to
learn that.
"
【在 m**********4 的大作中提到】
: 再弱弱地问，读了PHD就一定不能当TRADER吗？一定要本科／MS吗？
: 我弱死了！
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h****e
发帖数: 2125 | 44
there's no good or bad; i don't understand why many ppl think it's
insulting to compare quant with IT. it is just a job, even more routine
and boring than many expect. like i said many ppl just do IT work with a
quant title, where does the superiority come from?
a job title doesn't mean anything; what u do on the job and what u can get
from the job matter.
【在 k*****a 的大作中提到】
: 大家都误会了饭坚强，他的意思是说Quant的IT化是个好的进步
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p***z
发帖数: 132 | 45 That's really true for a sell-side flow trader. I had several opportunities
to become a flow trader, but I rejected. Not everybody can endure and like
that type of stress and lonely. If it's just for money, then one is
sacrificing his happiness to earn money. I'd rather to use money to buy
happiness. What's the point to make money?
Anyway, it's always the balance between interest and life, hope everybody
enjoy what he is doing.
【在 h****e 的大作中提到】
:
: there's no good or bad; i don't understand why many ppl think it's
: insulting to compare quant with IT. it is just a job, even more routine
: and boring than many expect. like i said many ppl just do IT work with a
: quant title, where does the superiority come from?
: a job title doesn't mean anything; what u do on the job and what u can get
: from the job matter.
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h****e
发帖数: 2125 | 46
opportunities
like
everybody
i don't think ppl make money for happiness but rather for security. after
making enough money they will feel secure to pursue their interests and
happiness.
【在 p***z 的大作中提到】
: That's really true for a sell-side flow trader. I had several opportunities
: to become a flow trader, but I rejected. Not everybody can endure and like
: that type of stress and lonely. If it's just for money, then one is
: sacrificing his happiness to earn money. I'd rather to use money to buy
: happiness. What's the point to make money?
: Anyway, it's always the balance between interest and life, hope everybody
: enjoy what he is doing.
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b********t
发帖数: 5261 | 47 其实大部分的professor的工作要个master就够了，现在是生产的phd太多了。
【在 m**********4 的大作中提到】
: 这个世界上除了PROFESSOR，啥工作真正需要PHD的？
|
f*******g
发帖数: 377 | 48 Admire. You two have elevated the discussion to the level of philosophy.
【在 h****e 的大作中提到】
:
: opportunities
: like
: everybody
: i don't think ppl make money for happiness but rather for security. after
: making enough money they will feel secure to pursue their interests and
: happiness.
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m**********4
发帖数: 774 | 49 我弱到不行地继续请教：您提到trader stressful,can not only go for it because
of money,不知道是您是针对trader，还是针对trader和quant？我感觉周围很多人做
QUANT也是为了多点钱啊,我还以为大部分矿工还是很羡慕TRADER的，因为工资高。难道
QUANT和学术更沾边？我去面试QUANT组里的头第一句话就说，别去你那些IT公司了，我
们的钱比他们多多了,他连兴趣提都没提。。我觉得他挺实诚的呀～感觉街上大部分人
还是因为钱多点才来。难道大部分QUANT真的是喜欢这份工作？
我不知道我是不是太庸俗了。我我我。。。欢迎大家批评指正！
多谢pangz, helpme等大牛们的指点！
opportunities
【在 p***z 的大作中提到】
: That's really true for a sell-side flow trader. I had several opportunities
: to become a flow trader, but I rejected. Not everybody can endure and like
: that type of stress and lonely. If it's just for money, then one is
: sacrificing his happiness to earn money. I'd rather to use money to buy
: happiness. What's the point to make money?
: Anyway, it's always the balance between interest and life, hope everybody
: enjoy what he is doing.
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p***z
发帖数: 132 | 50 The life for trader is much more stresser than a quant as one big mistake
can kill you. That kind of life can turn a very nice people to be a very bad
-tempered one. You can see a lot of these kinds of people on the trading
floor.
As for money, at sell-side, the trader's volatility is much higher than
quant, so the expectation is also higher by no free lunch. So it's fair.
AT buy-side, there is no much difference between trader and quant. The
strategy is the key. I didn't see many people at buy-side yell to each other
everyday.
because
【在 m**********4 的大作中提到】
: 我弱到不行地继续请教：您提到trader stressful,can not only go for it because
: of money,不知道是您是针对trader，还是针对trader和quant？我感觉周围很多人做
: QUANT也是为了多点钱啊,我还以为大部分矿工还是很羡慕TRADER的，因为工资高。难道
: QUANT和学术更沾边？我去面试QUANT组里的头第一句话就说，别去你那些IT公司了，我
: 们的钱比他们多多了,他连兴趣提都没提。。我觉得他挺实诚的呀～感觉街上大部分人
: 还是因为钱多点才来。难道大部分QUANT真的是喜欢这份工作？
: 我不知道我是不是太庸俗了。我我我。。。欢迎大家批评指正！
: 多谢pangz, helpme等大牛们的指点！
:
: opportunities
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Y******u
发帖数: 1912 | 51 I don't understand. Why do u care whether 大部分QUANT真的是喜欢这份工作?
Everyone choose the job for different purposes. Some for money, some for
power/social status and some just like it. You can have your own reason. It
is not wrong/unmoral to chase money at all.
And there is a balance between money and life. At same level, quant get paid
less, work longer but better job security and stability. The pressure is
also less. Many people may just satisfy with 300K-400K per year at mid 30s.
Why they must seek to be a trader, which may take million home or get fired
if performance is poor?
because
【在 m**********4 的大作中提到】
: 我弱到不行地继续请教：您提到trader stressful,can not only go for it because
: of money,不知道是您是针对trader，还是针对trader和quant？我感觉周围很多人做
: QUANT也是为了多点钱啊,我还以为大部分矿工还是很羡慕TRADER的，因为工资高。难道
: QUANT和学术更沾边？我去面试QUANT组里的头第一句话就说，别去你那些IT公司了，我
: 们的钱比他们多多了,他连兴趣提都没提。。我觉得他挺实诚的呀～感觉街上大部分人
: 还是因为钱多点才来。难道大部分QUANT真的是喜欢这份工作？
: 我不知道我是不是太庸俗了。我我我。。。欢迎大家批评指正！
: 多谢pangz, helpme等大牛们的指点！
:
: opportunities
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h****e
发帖数: 2125 | 52
because
well did he say that there's much more work and stress than IT companies
too? do u think they pay u more for nothing? not to mention the
instability.
quant is a still a technical job, u use ur knowledge and skills to
complete tasks. but trading is more like hunting, u eat what u kill. u
might kill like king of the jungle or u might get killed immediately
without yet knowing what's going on. u either sink or swim, in another
word there's no limit on ur upside, but there's no safety either.
most traders lose money then get fired from their jobs, many of them
cannot make more than $200k a year in their entire trading career. but
for those who can swim they can make a VERY good living...
【在 m**********4 的大作中提到】
: 我弱到不行地继续请教：您提到trader stressful,can not only go for it because
: of money,不知道是您是针对trader，还是针对trader和quant？我感觉周围很多人做
: QUANT也是为了多点钱啊,我还以为大部分矿工还是很羡慕TRADER的，因为工资高。难道
: QUANT和学术更沾边？我去面试QUANT组里的头第一句话就说，别去你那些IT公司了，我
: 们的钱比他们多多了,他连兴趣提都没提。。我觉得他挺实诚的呀～感觉街上大部分人
: 还是因为钱多点才来。难道大部分QUANT真的是喜欢这份工作？
: 我不知道我是不是太庸俗了。我我我。。。欢迎大家批评指正！
: 多谢pangz, helpme等大牛们的指点！
:
: opportunities
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m**********4
发帖数: 774 | 53 非常非常感谢大牛的讲解！我赞同你的观点，如果TRADER压力太大，对人性格身体有影
响的话，那还是算了。特别是我，可能承受压力的能力也不是太强。所以每个人还是要
找到适合自己的
bad
other
【在 p***z 的大作中提到】
: The life for trader is much more stresser than a quant as one big mistake
: can kill you. That kind of life can turn a very nice people to be a very bad
: -tempered one. You can see a lot of these kinds of people on the trading
: floor.
: As for money, at sell-side, the trader's volatility is much higher than
: quant, so the expectation is also higher by no free lunch. So it's fair.
: AT buy-side, there is no much difference between trader and quant. The
: strategy is the key. I didn't see many people at buy-side yell to each other
: everyday.
:
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m**********4
发帖数: 774 | 54 我还是CARE的。。。
读PHD读怕了，我真的开始CARE了：）：）
而且我承认我不是那么有主见的人，现在有几个选择，GOOGLE之类的公司或者是QUANT，所以我想听听到底街上的QUANT是怎么想的啊。怎么说和这些大牛交流对我人生都是一个参考。
It
paid
.
fired
【在 Y******u 的大作中提到】
: I don't understand. Why do u care whether 大部分QUANT真的是喜欢这份工作?
: Everyone choose the job for different purposes. Some for money, some for
: power/social status and some just like it. You can have your own reason. It
: is not wrong/unmoral to chase money at all.
: And there is a balance between money and life. At same level, quant get paid
: less, work longer but better job security and stability. The pressure is
: also less. Many people may just satisfy with 300K-400K per year at mid 30s.
: Why they must seek to be a trader, which may take million home or get fired
: if performance is poor?
:
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m**********4
发帖数: 774 | 55 说的很好。谢谢！
【在 h****e 的大作中提到】
:
: because
: well did he say that there's much more work and stress than IT companies
: too? do u think they pay u more for nothing? not to mention the
: instability.
: quant is a still a technical job, u use ur knowledge and skills to
: complete tasks. but trading is more like hunting, u eat what u kill. u
: might kill like king of the jungle or u might get killed immediately
: without yet knowing what's going on. u either sink or swim, in another
: word there's no limit on ur upside, but there's no safety either.
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m*********g
发帖数: 646 | 56 哈哈，俺PHD是做FRACTIONAL 阶的导数的，写上去是不是更能忽悠客户么？
【在 d*j 的大作中提到】
: 对 buy side 来说 可能是的
: 如果客户不大知道， 但是非要来写 quant 的东西
: 就把这些 Ph.D title research 都写上
: 然后那些高阶导数都上， 保证客户晕乎乎的
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h****e
发帖数: 2125 | 57
if u want to 忽悠客户 give ur customers a hot sexy sales lady, not a journal
paper...
【在 m*********g 的大作中提到】
: 哈哈，俺PHD是做FRACTIONAL 阶的导数的，写上去是不是更能忽悠客户么？
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S*********g
发帖数: 5298 | 58 除非你是最主要的几个大头头之一。否则，你的部分估计就那么可怜的几个bullet。
估计也就能放得下学校名字，或者你拿过奥赛金牌
你要是大头头，估计着重写的就是你的历史记录，而不是教育背景了。
【在 m*********g 的大作中提到】
: 哈哈，俺PHD是做FRACTIONAL 阶的导数的，写上去是不是更能忽悠客户么？
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m****s
发帖数: 7397 | 59 hehehe...
maybe the buy-side is not yelling to each other,
but Young man
you haven't heard the phone calls, when a pissed off investor is on the
other end.
Most managers had such exeriences...no matter how good he is, or once was.
AT buy-side, there is no much difference between trader and quant. The
strategy is the key. I didn't see many people at buy-side yell to each other
everyday.
【在 p***z 的大作中提到】
: The life for trader is much more stresser than a quant as one big mistake
: can kill you. That kind of life can turn a very nice people to be a very bad
: -tempered one. You can see a lot of these kinds of people on the trading
: floor.
: As for money, at sell-side, the trader's volatility is much higher than
: quant, so the expectation is also higher by no free lunch. So it's fair.
: AT buy-side, there is no much difference between trader and quant. The
: strategy is the key. I didn't see many people at buy-side yell to each other
: everyday.
:
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k*****a
发帖数: 7389 | 60 饭大虾有所不知，你的层次比较高，不懂得刚入行的小毛孩现在都想啥。俺给你解释一
下。
即使是同一性质的工作，不同的称呼会给当事人不一样的感受。比如兲上人间的ＭＭ喜
欢被称作Ｘ工作者，不喜小姐。
【在 h****e 的大作中提到】
:
: if u want to 忽悠客户 give ur customers a hot sexy sales lady, not a journal
: paper...
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d*j
发帖数: 13780 | 61 哈哈， 要是国内也许可以， 谁给的妞漂亮， 谁的回扣多， 就给谁做生意， 反正不是
自己的钱
要是美国一个 asset management firm 这么做， 可能就没有客户了
journal
【在 h****e 的大作中提到】
:
: if u want to 忽悠客户 give ur customers a hot sexy sales lady, not a journal
: paper...
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s*******n
发帖数: 631 | 62 信息管理系统不是以数据库为核心技术的么？
花街的后台quant不是应该以C++和数学model为核心的么？
新手提问，只望解惑
大家轻拍 |
v**m
发帖数: 706 | 63 信息管理是个垃圾专业，主要是管数据库的。
纯粹的back-office. |
f*****x
发帖数: 23 | 64 请问一下楼主，这个公司怎样申请呢？米有找到这个公司career的说。
【在 Y******u 的大作中提到】
: 刚拿到offer，之前觉得名气不大，搜索了一下发现是全世界前几大hedge fund (in
: terms of AUM, 29B). 有人知道这个fund的发展和工作环境怎么样吗？
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q****x
发帖数: 7404 | 65 you are right. it's supply and demand.
when demand too scarce or supply too much, the bar would be raised with any
aspect matters: degree, school, gpa, bt interview questions, etc.
PHD
【在 m**********4 的大作中提到】
: 师兄能否讲讲为啥非要PHD呢？需要PHD的什么SKILL SET呢？
: 我以前很CYNICAL 地觉得这些地方要求PHD一是为了炫耀，说我们有多少多少PHD，糊弄
: 吓唬不懂的人。二是提高门槛，申请人太多了。公司只在乎选出一些人，根本不在乎被
: 淘汰的有没有牛人。管他呢，用PHD煞掉一些人。至于工作性质，本科生肯定能胜任。
: 其实GOOGLE，等等很多地方都一样，咱这边很多CS PHD都是去当码工。其实很多CS PHD
: 阶段也不怎么编程序的。
: 我是不是太CYNICAL了？？请批评指正。
:
: to
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q****x
发帖数: 7404 | 66 what he said is true. but now the salary edge of quant over top sde is shrinking.
because
【在 m**********4 的大作中提到】
: 我弱到不行地继续请教：您提到trader stressful,can not only go for it because
: of money,不知道是您是针对trader，还是针对trader和quant？我感觉周围很多人做
: QUANT也是为了多点钱啊,我还以为大部分矿工还是很羡慕TRADER的，因为工资高。难道
: QUANT和学术更沾边？我去面试QUANT组里的头第一句话就说，别去你那些IT公司了，我
: 们的钱比他们多多了,他连兴趣提都没提。。我觉得他挺实诚的呀～感觉街上大部分人
: 还是因为钱多点才来。难道大部分QUANT真的是喜欢这份工作？
: 我不知道我是不是太庸俗了。我我我。。。欢迎大家批评指正！
: 多谢pangz, helpme等大牛们的指点！
:
: opportunities
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d******g
发帖数: 34 | 67 I don't totally agree. Correct me if i'm wrong.
I thought being a flow trader is a great training ground for trading and to
learn the business and eventually become prop trader(since there is no prop
anymore in IB). The risk stems mainly from trade error, 'coz you're making
spread and therefore the loss is small (given you have your positions hedged
correctly).
Would you pls elaborate why you think the job is so unbearable that you turn
down the offers? Thanks!
opportunities
【在 p***z 的大作中提到】
: That's really true for a sell-side flow trader. I had several opportunities
: to become a flow trader, but I rejected. Not everybody can endure and like
: that type of stress and lonely. If it's just for money, then one is
: sacrificing his happiness to earn money. I'd rather to use money to buy
: happiness. What's the point to make money?
: Anyway, it's always the balance between interest and life, hope everybody
: enjoy what he is doing.
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