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发帖数: 6125 | 1 BEIJING—Chinese social-networking company Renren Inc., which is hoping to
raise $584 million in a public listing on the New York Stock Exchange,
lowered a key user number in its prospectus, highlighting the murkiness of
data in China's high-flying Internet sector.
When it filed for an initial public offering on April 15, the company said
its website, often referred to as "the Facebook of China," added seven
million unique users in the first quarter, giving it a total of 31 million
active monthly users.
It had taken Renren.com two years to add as many users before that.
The outsized growth in the face of competition from other sites prompted
some analysts and investors to question the accuracy of the numbers. When
asked earlier this week by The Wall Street Journal, a Renren spokeswoman
said the filing was accurate and reliable.
On Wednesday, however, the company amended its filing with the U.S.
Securities and Exchange Commission, to say it actually added five million
users in the first quarter and had two million more users in the fourth
quarter.
The revision means the Renren.com user base rose 19% in the first quarter,
compared with a previously reported rate of 32%.
The prospectus doesn't explain the change and the Renren spokeswoman
declined to comment Thursday, citing quiet period restrictions.
"At best, it's a careless mistake. At worst, it leaves investors with an
impression that something dodgy is going on," said Michael Clendenin,
managing director of research firm RedTech Advisors (China) LLC.
The questions over Renren.com's numbers highlight the mystery of Chinese
Internet statistics. The lack of reliable numbers is more conspicuous now
that the companies' valuations are so high, said Bill Bishop, a Beijing-
based investor who follows the Chinese Internet sector. Mr. Bishop said "
savvy investors" don't believe the numbers "other than as directional"
indicators.
Renren's move comes as the latest crop of Chinese Web companies are gearing
up for IPOs, with Renren's value adding up to as much as $4.4 billion,
despite reporting declining revenue for the past two quarters and operating
at a loss.
In recent months, Chinese companies including Renren, online-video provider
Tudou Inc. and dating website Jiayuan.com International Ltd., have filed for
public listings in the U.S. Shares of Youku.com Inc., an online-video
company, have nearly doubled since its debut in December, with nearly a $7
billion market capitalization despite being unprofitable.
The frothy market for Chinese Web start-ups mirrors a surge in Internet
valuations in Silicon Valley. Bankers and would-be buyers are circling
private U.S. tech companies and putting rich valuations on Facebook Inc.,
Twitter Inc. and Groupon Inc.
Though there is little dispute that China now has more Internet users than
any other nation, there is little agreement on how many people are online
here. Government researcher China Internet Network Information Center, or
CNNIC, estimates that there were 457 million users as of the end of 2010.
U.S.-based research firm comScore Inc. has a more conservative estimate of
just 283 million users. The difference is partially due to the way the
entities define the users—CNNIC includes all users from the age of six,
while comScore counts users from age 15.
Tencent, which operates QQ, China's most popular instant-messaging service,
in addition to online games and a social-networking site, says it has 647.7
million active instant-messaging user accounts—a number which far outstrips
even the most generous estimates for China's entire Internet user base.
Edward Yu, chief executive of Analysys International, a Beijing-based firm
that tracks Internet companies, said the actual number of active QQ users is
closer to a third of that number, or less, because many users have multiple
accounts. As for Renren, he said its growth "should definitely be declining
" owing to competition from Twitter-like microblogging sites like Sina Corp.
's Sina Weibo.
A Tencent spokeswoman said unique active QQ user accounts can be calculated
roughly by dividing the number of active user accounts by two but "there is
no way to accurately measure" this figure. Ms. Chan said the company's
measurement standards are "very stringent in the industry."
Renren, which was founded in 2005, a year after Facebook, earned $76.5
million in revenue last year, up 64% from the year before. The company's
founder and chief executive, 41-year-old Joseph Chen, is a U.S. educated
Internet entrepreneur and U.S. citizen. The company's underwriters include
Morgan Stanley, Deutsche Bank Securities and Credit Suisse Securities.
Read more: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704729304576286903217555660.html#ixzz1Ksg6O56D | a*****n
发帖数: 5158 | 2 还没开始就做假
【在 w*******o 的大作中提到】
: BEIJING—Chinese social-networking company Renren Inc., which is hoping to
: raise $584 million in a public listing on the New York Stock Exchange,
: lowered a key user number in its prospectus, highlighting the murkiness of
: data in China's high-flying Internet sector.
: When it filed for an initial public offering on April 15, the company said
: its website, often referred to as "the Facebook of China," added seven
: million unique users in the first quarter, giving it a total of 31 million
: active monthly users.
: It had taken Renren.com two years to add as many users before that.
: The outsized growth in the face of competition from other sites prompted
| s******m
发帖数: 1154 | | v****e
发帖数: 19471 | 4 What the fuck...
BEIJING—Chinese social-networking company Renren Inc., which is hoping to
raise $584 mil........
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【在 w*******o 的大作中提到】
: BEIJING—Chinese social-networking company Renren Inc., which is hoping to
: raise $584 million in a public listing on the New York Stock Exchange,
: lowered a key user number in its prospectus, highlighting the murkiness of
: data in China's high-flying Internet sector.
: When it filed for an initial public offering on April 15, the company said
: its website, often referred to as "the Facebook of China," added seven
: million unique users in the first quarter, giving it a total of 31 million
: active monthly users.
: It had taken Renren.com two years to add as many users before that.
: The outsized growth in the face of competition from other sites prompted
| l******n
发帖数: 507 | 5 the estimated value is extraordinarily high | d**********g
发帖数: 5335 | | b******r
发帖数: 16603 | 7 这个图非常好，现在MELI和SINA相对风险小，SOHU估计更小。
【在 l******n 的大作中提到】
: the estimated value is extraordinarily high
| n******D
发帖数: 193 | 8 人人是不是不碰比较好?
【在 b******r 的大作中提到】
: 这个图非常好，现在MELI和SINA相对风险小，SOHU估计更小。
| b******r
发帖数: 16603 | 9 我如果碰，大概是DT 一到两天的情况。
这时候，拿其他中概比较省心，RENN走得好，其他中概也不会吃亏。
走得不好，就是RENN自己的事情了。
【在 n******D 的大作中提到】
: 人人是不是不碰比较好?
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