h*i 发帖数: 3446 | 1 Most likely, the original people in China were driven to remote areas. They
are what we now call minorities.
The DNA evidence is very clear: Chinese males are mostly of haplogroup O3,
which is much newer than many minorities, who are of group C (Mongol, Manchu
) or D (Qiang, some Tibetan, Miao, etc.). |
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h*i 发帖数: 3446 | 2 I guess the story probably goes like this: the mountainous areas of
Southwest Asia were the place where Chinese people were isolated genetically from its parent group (很难穿越 is precisely the reason of the genetic split) around 10000 years ago.
Part of the proto-Chinese still remain in the original area and become 独龙族, etc. But another part of them followed the edge of Tibetan plateau to continue north (this explains the prominence of Kunlun mountain in Chinese mythology), entering Qiang people's ... 阅读全帖 |
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n***e 发帖数: 224 | 3 埃及语是Afro-Asiatic,接近闪族语;汉语是Sino-Tibetan,接近藏语、缅语。完全不
搭界。 |
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c*********1 发帖数: 22 | 4 http://my.cnd.org/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=32833
杜欣欣
梅.戈尔斯坦(Melvyn Goldstein),威廉.司本初石(William Siebenschuh),道帏喜
饶(Tashi Tsering)合著的《一位藏族革命家–巴塘人平措旺杰的时代和政治生涯》
出版于2006年,2011年香港大学出版中文译本(黄潇潇译)。此书基于平措旺杰(
Phuntso Wangye)的访谈整理而成,而访谈始于1993年。藏人的名字通常可简略为第一
,三字,所以此书的中文版又简称为“平旺回忆录”。
平旺于1922年出生于中国西康巴塘,他的家族属于东藏康巴人的一支。巴塘的书面用语
与西藏藏语相同,但方言习俗与拉萨迥异。康巴汉子多英俊,平旺也不例外。
18世纪初,满清政府与西藏形成松散的保护和被保护国。清廷对藏区的控制时松时紧,
一般情况下只设军粮站和小型驻防,权力也只是象征性的。1903-1904年,因荣赫鹏率
英军入侵西藏,满清政府加强了对藏区控制,从而引发巴塘人反抗,史称巴塘之乱。在
这一事件中,清廷官员凤全以及两名法... 阅读全帖 |
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O*******d 发帖数: 20343 | 5 全是西方的洗脑宣传。 1951年到1959年,西藏是地方政府和中央政府平起平坐。 街上
巡逻是藏军和解放军两个人并排巡逻。西藏贵族照常保持他们的农奴。 中央政府严格
按照十七条协议办事,对西藏地方政府的事务很少插足。即使少数事情需要干涉,也是
协商,而不是命令。 中央政府在西藏开办的医院,全部对藏人免费开放。 西藏那时
候是真正的一国两制。 西藏的寺庙是在文革中被摧毁的。 红卫兵里面有很多在中国内
地大学念书的藏族年轻人。
我建议楼主读几本Melvyn Goldstein写的书
The Struggle for Modern Tibet. 中文版是"西藏是我家“. 讲一个藏人的真实经历,
包括1959年前的西藏。
A Tibetan Revolutionary. 解放军进藏时共产党方面的一号藏语翻译平错汪杰的经历
。 里边有很多当事人的真实回忆。
The Snow Lion and the Dragon. 西藏近代史的浓缩版。
Melvyn Goldstein是Case Western Reserve University的藏学研究教授。多次去过西
藏。 写的书忠于事实,不偏不袒。并... 阅读全帖 |
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d******a 发帖数: 32122 | 6 马来人的O和O3不是一回事,你就不用浑水摸鱼了
汉人的O3-M122是52%
藏族是36%
使用藏缅语系的民族是48.8%
这充分证明使用汉藏语系的民族在DNA上也保持了很大关联。
马来人菲律宾等使用南岛语系的东南亚土著民族只有26%
Haplogroups in Worldwide Populations
POPULATION
NO. OF
SAMPLES
PERCENTAGE OF POPULATION
WITH LINEAGEa
M122 M119 M95 Total
African 329
American Indian 221
European 1,046
Caucasus 147
Russian 243
Siberian 328 3.05 3.05
CAS 1,231 4.55 .57 .61 5.28
Southern Indian 259 .39 1.16 1.55
Altai 561 15.15 1.43 1.60 18.18
Korean 81 38.27 2.47 40.74
Japanese 29 27.59 3.45 31.04
Northern Han 41... 阅读全帖 |
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s*******n 发帖数: 10426 | 7 那藏族到底是O还是D?
Tibetan
amounts |
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s*******n 发帖数: 10426 | 8 还有一个问题就是,究竟怎么看两个群体的亲缘关系远近。
例如:
你爷爷有10个儿子,其中一个入赘到一个跟你家没有血缘关系的大家庭,拿现在的问题
是你们家是跟那个被入赘的大家庭关系近,还是跟你爷爷的兄弟的子孙的家庭关系近?
在我看来,明显是跟你爷爷的兄弟的子孙关系近,因为大家血脉同源,而那个被你叔伯
入赘的大家庭关系明显远,因为他们家只有很少一部分人跟你有血缘关系。
这个不是很清楚的吗?
Tibetan
amounts |
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o*****D 发帖数: 1563 | 10 I think it's in the genes
and the languages
Tibetan languages are so close to Burmese languages. |
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l***x 发帖数: 684 | 11 Lu Xun is also Tibetan? |
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d*****u 发帖数: 17243 | 12 这个。。。炎黄到底是谁都还不知道呢
O3-M134才是典型的苗瑶吧
Paragroup O-M134(xM117) has been found with very high frequency in some
samples of Kim Mun people, a subgroup of the Yao people of southern China (
16/32 = 50.0% Mountain Kimmun from southern Yunnan, 11/28 = 39.3% Blue
Kimmun from western Guangxi).
O3-M117更是大杂烩,不过看起来跟藏缅关系很大,说是华夏还比较靠谱
O-M117 has been detected in samples of Tamang (38/45 = 84.4%), Tibetans (45/
156 = 28.8% or 13/35 = 37.1%), Tharus (57/171 = 33.3%), Newars (14/66 = 21.2
%), the general population ... 阅读全帖 |
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p**********n 发帖数: 1470 | 13 总结自wiki.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Y-chromosome_DNA_haplogroup
http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/人类Y染色体DNA单倍型类群
下面这颗树越往前的越靠近根也就越原始,越往下的越进化。
Y chromosome Adam 所有现代人的最近公共父系祖先
-A Khoisan 最原始的人类[南非一带],比黑人肤色浅,长得像亚洲人,语言也最原
始有click;Nilotic
-BT
--B Pygmy 非洲矮黑人(形似黑人,但矮很多,以前把Khoisan和Pygmy都认为是黑
人,现在分开了)
--CT
---DE 黑人
----E Bantu 非洲大多数黑人都属于班图人,Berber 虽然现代柏柏尔人基本是白人
,如齐达内
----D 老亚洲人之一,残存于远东东西两侧:安达曼群岛矮黑人,藏人(肤色深),
日本虾夷Ainu
---CF
----C 老亚洲人之二,残存于远东南北两侧:蒙古哈萨克澳大利亚原住民;成吉思汗
属于C3
----F
-----F1-4
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v********1 发帖数: 319 | 14 The red is derived from austronoid people. It is common in Tibetan, Qiang
people, and Japanese. |
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t******e 发帖数: 2504 | 15 试回答第一个问题,即中国人本地进化论是不是已经破产?
如果是人类本地进化论, 那当然是破产了,不仅仅在东亚,在除非洲以外的本地进化
论都破产了,当然还有3%的常染是欧亚本地的尼安德特人或丹尼索瓦人的混合,不过后
2者也是从非洲出来的,只是出来的时间要早得多。
但如果只考虑中国人,按官方的中华5千年历史,或按有文字记载的3千-3.5千年的历史
,sinitic民族/语言/文明当然是在本地形成的,再之前的proto-sino-tibetan,从考
古/语言/分子人类学等诸方面考虑,基本上,不,应该是毫无疑义地,是从本地演化的
。至于1万年前,或更早的LGM(Last Glacial Maximum)之前, 东亚这块土地上的人类
,只是知道不是本地进化来的, 至于是从哪里来,如何来,除了最终源头是非洲,目
前大都是猜测,这些猜测目前都没有令人信服的工作和证据支持。
印欧人群及向欧洲的扩张,近来的分子人类学方面的文章做得很不错,已经脱离了猜测
阶段,在我看来已经初步令人信服的部分证实了kurgan假说, 即来自西伯利亚的malta
人群和部分北上的近东人群在黑海北岸和南俄草原一带形成yamna... 阅读全帖 |
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Y****l 发帖数: 83 | 16 古汉语和藏语的关系, 现在很多研究都是不明确的。 比如, 最近的研究是这么写的:
Gong Hwang-cherng has compared Old Chinese, Tibetic, Burmese and Tangut in
an effort to establish sound correspondences between those languages.[13][28
] He found that Tibetic and Burmese /a/ correspond to two vowels, *a and *
, in Old Chinese.[29] While this has been considered evidence for a
separate Tibeto-Burman subgroup, Hill (2014) finds that Burmese still
distinguishes the specific rhymes *-aj (> -ay) and *-j (> -i), and hence
the development * > *... 阅读全帖 |
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Y****l 发帖数: 83 | 17 古汉语和藏语的关系, 现在很多研究都是不明确的。 比如, 最近的研究是这么写的:
Gong Hwang-cherng has compared Old Chinese, Tibetic, Burmese and Tangut in
an effort to establish sound correspondences between those languages.[13][28
] He found that Tibetic and Burmese /a/ correspond to two vowels, *a and *
, in Old Chinese.[29] While this has been considered evidence for a
separate Tibeto-Burman subgroup, Hill (2014) finds that Burmese still
distinguishes the specific rhymes *-aj (> -ay) and *-j (> -i), and hence
the development * > *... 阅读全帖 |
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m***n 发帖数: 12188 | 18 这么说确实太政治化。但是我以前去过几个论坛,比如伊力哈木教授的维吾尔在线,还
有几个英文藏独论坛。
见到了一些比较特别的东西。
藏独论坛上我印象深刻的历史学说有这么几个:
1)汉藏语系是中共的政治宣传。
我还和一个人辩论过,他拿出一篇英文文章,拷贝摘要给我看,那文章摘要说汉藏语系
(Sino-tibetan) 说法不对,要批驳,应该用藏缅语系这个词。
我还真下载全文看了,原来那文说的是这个语系的原始语言和缅甸语与印度东北一个民
族的语言最接近,底下再分化,他的建议是采用藏缅语系这个说法,这个语系底下再分
几个语族,其中有汉藏语族。(类似的印欧语系底下有日尔曼,罗曼等语族,西班牙语
和葡萄牙语都是罗曼语族,英语荷兰语和德语是日尔曼语族。)
我给他看,说按这个说法,那汉语和藏语不是更加密切了,应该更符合中共的宣传品位
啊。
2)唐古特(西夏)是藏族。西夏是汉人伪造的名字。西方人都用唐古特这个名字。 |
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o**********e 发帖数: 18403 | 19 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: onetiemyshoe (onetiemyshoe), 信区: Military
标 题: 回答道教和佛教的差别
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Mar 14 21:47:14 2016, 美东)
我来说说。
1. 首先,我对佛教没了解。
因为佛祖没有留下书面文字,
不光如此,连同年代的烙印弟子
敌人学者都没有留下书面文字, 没有
任何佐证,peer review。 所以
佛教所有的早期经典都是口述。 口传最大
的问题就是死无对证,夸大,遗漏,故意
非故意误传谬传。 有1/10是真的,已经很了不起了。
道家道教都是源于道德经。 而道德经
也是老子(本身是史学大牛),根据周朝几百年
积累的皇家传书,甚至集商朝几百年的
历史经验之大成。当时还有很多同时代
的学者分布着周朝首都和各个诸侯国,
所以道德经是经过Peer review的。
2. 道家书传早于佛教书传。
3. Taoism is very individualistic and cares
deeply about liberty and indep... 阅读全帖 |
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d******a 发帖数: 32122 | 20 蒙古全民恢复姓氏百万人選用“成吉思汗”,蒙古政府定下新例,規定公民需擁有姓氏
,而非像現在只有名字而沒有姓氏。
蒙古人在100年前開始棄用蒙族式部族的名字,亦即沒有姓氏,于是人人都用一些大眾
化的名字,很容易出現混淆的情況。但實施新例后,据講有六成人口決定“紀念”他們
是与成吉思汗來自同一祖先,到時,可能有超過100万蒙古人都采用成吉思汗的姓氏。
考虑到“成吉思汗”姓氏所产生的其它效果,更多人主张恢复固有的传统姓氏。
所有蒙古人都要在3月15日前向當局遞交他們出世紙、舊的身份証明文件、決定采用的
姓氏。有報道指出,蒙古政府決定重新為公民引入姓氏,是擔心國人近親通婚生育下一
代。
Tibet:Tibetan图伯特早已广泛恢复传统姓氏。这是文化财富,也是民族的重要标志,
象征。
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席慕蓉:我是游牧民族的后代,在我看来,游牧民族并不需要现代化,游牧文化其实是
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y****1 发帖数: 671 | 21 Part 3:
Kicking Down Doors
Back at Zhang's hostel, guests began pouring in from the streets. Many
headed to the roof, transfixed by the sight of a city in flames. Five
Tibetan neighbors crawled over nearby rooftops to join them, Zhang said.
Then, about 3 p.m., he heard a "strange, high-pitched sound." He looked down
to see a gang of 30 to 40 people swing into his street, howling. He was
surprised to see that most in the mob were young women, who had masks over
their mouths and were wearing backp |
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l******n 发帖数: 9344 | 22 From the widely viewed youtube video, we have seen how western medi
a have made biased reporting and used false videos or pictures as evidences
to cover up the violence of Tibetan mob and attack Chinese goverment's Tibet
policy. CNN was not singled out for criticisms for its biased reporting of
this events. With the efforts of oversea Chinese, more and more details of
the truth about the so-called "peaceful protest" have been uncovered. Most
western media have admitted their mistakes and made st |
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c***n 发帖数: 2232 | 23 http://www.economist.com/world/asia/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10875823&mode=comment
Yen Choweng wrote:
March 30, 2008 16:31
RJ Wells,
"The Dalai Lama was the head of the Tibetan state when the Chinese army
invaded Tibet in 1949 and took it over by brute military force...."
thanks for asking,
I've being waiting for somebody to put me up this this for a while now.
thank you. thank you.
Okay, so let's start by talk about historical claims then. Chinese
territorial claim and sovereignty over Tibet i |
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b*w 发帖数: 277 | 24 我的一些补充:
First and foremost:
As a religious and spiritual leader, why does he continue to pursuit his
political ambition? Does he want to return Xizang to theocracy and serfdom
where over 95% of ordinary Tibetans did not have any personal freedom and human
rights?
Secondly:
Why does the Dalai Lama continue to deny the historical fact that under no
circumstances has any country ever recognizes Tibet as an independent
country? Why does he continue to deny the fact that under no circumstances
had |
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w*******g 发帖数: 9932 | 25 【 以下文字转载自 USANews 讨论区 】
发信人: pipigou123 (皮皮狗), 信区: USANews
标 题: 一位反藏独的美国人写给某博物馆长的信
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Apr 7 17:37:47 2008)
我们州的科学博物馆里面,有个Deadly Science的展览,主要讲纳粹德国时期为了所谓
的人种优化而做出的种种种族屠杀的行径。在其外面 又一个小小的展览,有一张图片
说是89年在拉萨发生了种族清洗, 引起中国人的不满。 以为有 正义感的 美国医生,
也为此 非常愤怒 , 以下是他 给 博物馆长的抗议信。 我将继续报道 博物馆 的 回
应 。
Dear xxx,
I am troubled to read about your display of the "genocide" of Tibetans in
1989 being set-up conspicuously along side an exhibit on the Holocaust, near
the new Deady Medicine display. Despite |
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p****o 发帖数: 1340 | 26 【 以下文字转载自 SanFrancisco 讨论区 】
发信人: gobigred (我是tony), 信区: SanFrancisco
标 题: excerpt from discussion about Tibet on PBS by M.A.Jones - An Australian teacher
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Apr 7 14:51:58 2008)
http://discussions.pbs.org/viewtopic.pbs?t=68073&sid=ce0b20590dd445725153c83b5ef21c7f
from M.A.Jones
Let me summarise my overall position on the Tibetan issue, so as to help
those of you who are interested in producing a rebuttal. My arguments are as
follows:
1. Human rights abuses have and continue t |
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f*****e 发帖数: 939 | 27 美国国家民主基金会,是美国中央情报局的另一块招牌,和美国国务院、国际开发署、
中央情报局有密切的联系。
美国“国家民主基金会”2006年资助反华分子简况
向“中国信息中心”提供100多万美元,
向韩东方提供约80万美元,
向方励之等人提供约150万美元,
向张伟国等人提供约52万美元,
向胡平等人提供约100万美元,
向王军涛等人提供近80万美元,
向魏京生等人提供70万多美元,
向另外几个团伙提供约400万美元,用于"指定"项目。
2006年度合计已经超出1500多万美元,用于几十个反华项目(不含资助达赖集团的数字)。
美国国家民主基金会2002年━2006年向达赖集团提供专项资金援助(2007年的
数额还未解密),用于达赖集团协助美国围剿中国.
China (Tibet)
International Campaign for Tibet
$30,000
To support a program of meetings and publications designed to improve
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h**f 发帖数: 149 | 28 【 以下文字转载自 ChinaNews 讨论区 】
发信人: htyf (滹沱渔夫), 信区: ChinaNews
标 题: Monks Disrupt Media Tour in China
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Apr 9 10:08:09 2008), 转信
BEIJING — Buddhist monks interrupted a government-managed media tour in
western China on Wednesday, waving a Tibetan flag and protesting that the
authorities were depriving them of their human rights.
The disruption, in the city of Xiahe in Gansu Province, was another
unexpected public relations setback for China, and marked the second time
that monks ha |
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j***h 发帖数: 4412 | 29 住在湾区的华人如果去过UC伯克利的话,应该对University Ave上与UC伯克利仅有一个
block的那间西藏店有印象。今天白垃圾headquarter伯克利社区报刊登了一篇奇文,East
Bay Tibetans, Chinese Clash Over S.F. Olympic Torch Relay (链接及全文如下
)。
该期的版首照片是一个三藩市土著华裔,Will Lee,对该报记者说的支持北京奥运的一
段话。然而细读下文,全文仅有三个短短的段落提及湾区华人对北京奥运的支持,其余
的通篇都是跟从达赖的流亡藏人对西藏的进步及现状的污蔑。那间在2037 University
Ave的Little Tibet的东主Tsewang Khangsar,居然说出“Three generations have
passed. They said they would liberate us from serfdom to justify their
occupation, but there has been no economic or social progress since t |
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dislocation (gary) 于 (Sun Apr 13 16:27:40 2008) 提到:
四川一名喜欢自驾游的朋友于前不久的清明节独自一人去四川西部的藏区(那里前不久
闹过骚乱),他在途中拍了130多张照片、反映了普通藏民的生活和观点。原文出于http://www.517sc.com/bbs/dispbbs.asp?boardID=14&ID=267963&page=1
我将此位朋友的说明配上英文翻译,供大家欣赏。
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dislocation (gary) 于 (Sun Apr 13 16:28:14 2008) 提到:
清明之时:单人单车再闯藏区
Qingming Festival (5 April, 2008): I entered a Tibetan region by myself with
a single auto.
新洋 著
四川旅游网论坛
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h*s 发帖数: 574 | 31 【 以下文字转载自 Minnesota 讨论区 】
发信人: hbs (Tokyo's Rain), 信区: Minnesota
标 题: 这片文章可以打印出来广为散发
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Apr 15 15:11:48 2008), 转信
Published on Monday, April 14, 2008 by CommonDreams.org
The Hypocrisy and Danger of Anti-China Demonstrations
by Floyd Rudmin
We hear that Tibetans suffer “demographic aggression” and “cultural
genocide”. But we do not hear those terms applied to Spanish and French
policies toward the Basque minority. We do not hear those terms applied to
the US annexation of the Ki |
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e******n 发帖数: 8 | 32 The Hypocrisy and Danger of Anti-China Demonstrations
by Floyd Rudmin
We hear that Tibetans suffer “demographic aggression” and “cultural
genocide”. But we do not hear those terms applied to Spanish and French
policies toward the Basque minority. We do not hear those terms applied to
the US annexation of the Kingdom of Hawaii in 1898. And Diego Garcia? In
1973, not so long ago, the UK forcibly deported the entire native Chagossian
population from the Indian Ocean island of Diego Garcia. People w |
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s******r 发帖数: 1 | 33 http://www.uticaod.com/news/x170774178
Can someone with this knowledge confirm comments from Namjagbarwa and pelsang(a Tibetan Geshe from Gaden monastery)? I am struggling with the copy/paste. You may want to read it from the link for this informational discussion. |
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S*********4 发帖数: 5125 | 34 真有藏独网特!泰晤士报记者达兰萨拉亲历采访,揭秘藏独网聊小队
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Mar 20 16:35:07 2009)
Anti-CNN原创翻译,转载请注明译者及出处,谢谢!
http://www.anti-cnn.com/forum/cn/thread-150313-1-1.html
英国《泰晤士报》网站3月18日登载记者Jeremy Page发自印度达兰萨拉的报道文
章《狡猾的藏族信息员晃过中国的“互联网长城”》(Wily Tibetan messengers
outfox centors of 'Great Firewall' of China),作者亲历藏独网聊小队的办公室并
采访了小队长Sonam。采访内容涉及藏独网聊小队的由来、目的及工作方式。现将全文
翻译如下:
这是间简单的办公室,可以俯瞰到印度境内的喜马拉雅山麓,一个年轻的藏族小
伙子坐在一台电脑前,想要实现达赖喇嘛五十年来未能完成的与中国人对话的使命。熟
练使用普通话的Sonam及其他10位藏族人每天浏览社交网站、寻找中国人,与他们谈中
国。这工作可不轻松。
32岁的Sonam问一个北京男子 |
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S*********4 发帖数: 5125 | 35 真有藏独网特!泰晤士报记者达兰萨拉亲历采访,揭秘藏独网聊小队
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Mar 20 16:35:07 2009)
Anti-CNN原创翻译,转载请注明译者及出处,谢谢!
http://www.anti-cnn.com/forum/cn/thread-150313-1-1.html
英国《泰晤士报》网站3月18日登载记者Jeremy Page发自印度达兰萨拉的报道文
章《狡猾的藏族信息员晃过中国的“互联网长城”》(Wily Tibetan messengers
outfox centors of 'Great Firewall' of China),作者亲历藏独网聊小队的办公室并
采访了小队长Sonam。采访内容涉及藏独网聊小队的由来、目的及工作方式。现将全文
翻译如下:
这是间简单的办公室,可以俯瞰到印度境内的喜马拉雅山麓,一个年轻的藏族小
伙子坐在一台电脑前,想要实现达赖喇嘛五十年来未能完成的与中国人对话的使命。熟
练使用普通话的Sonam及其他10位藏族人每天浏览社交网站、寻找中国人,与他们谈中
国。这工作可不轻松。
32岁的Sonam问一个北京男子... 阅读全帖 |
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s*******n 发帖数: 4605 | 36 这一调查报告花了大概三个小时完成,没有功劳想必也有一点苦劳。目的是给大家一点
点参考。所谓知己知彼,百战不殆。请各位支持。
在facebook上浏览了一番这个藏独组织的捐款情况及其捐款人资料,发现有些人出手阔
绰,而且连续捐款两次,例如:
Diki Tsering 14 minutes ago
Donated $28.
Howard 39 minutes ago
Donated $20.
Bhuchung D. Sonam 44 minutes ago
Donated $20.
Tenzin Norzin about 1 hour ago
Donated $30.
Tenzin Norzin about 1 hour ago
Donated $100.
Tenzin Ghechen about 1 hour ago
Donated $24.
Tenzin Ghechen about 1 hour ago
Donated $29.
Jurial Khan Chandio about 2 hours ago
Donated $5o.
Namgyal Yangchen about 3 hou |
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s**********t 发帖数: 1846 | 38 【 以下文字转载自 WorldNews 讨论区 】
发信人: duenneluft (空气稀薄), 信区: WorldNews
标 题: 真有藏独网特!泰晤士报记者达兰萨拉亲历采访,揭秘藏独网聊小队
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Mar 20 16:35:07 2009)
Anti-CNN原创翻译,转载请注明译者及出处,谢谢!
http://www.anti-cnn.com/forum/cn/thread-150313-1-1.html
英国《泰晤士报》网站3月18日登载记者Jeremy Page发自印度达兰萨拉的报道文
章《狡猾的藏族信息员晃过中国的“互联网长城”》(Wily Tibetan messengers
outfox centors of 'Great Firewall' of China),作者亲历藏独网聊小队的办公室并
采访了小队长Sonam。采访内容涉及藏独网聊小队的由来、目的及工作方式。现将全文
翻译如下:
这是间简单的办公室,可以俯瞰到印度境内的喜马拉雅山麓,一个年轻的藏族小
伙子坐在一台电脑前,想要实现达赖喇嘛五十年来未能完成的与 |
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P*****l 发帖数: 438 | 39
Polish President was an admirer of India, crtic of China
11 Apr 2010, 0029 hrs IST,IANS
WARSAW: Polish President Lech Kaczynski was a great admirer of Indian
democracy and a major critic of China. He also had a soft corner for the
Dalai Lama and always met him when the Tibetan spiritual leader came to
Poland. The president had earlier expressed his desire to visit India
.
He warmly received Indian President Pratibha Patil when she flew to Poland
in April 2009. Elected the president in Octobe |
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y***o 发帖数: 503 | 40 China Earthquake: Catastrophe in Rural Tibetan Community
By EMILY RAUHALA Emily Rauhala – 2 hrs 11 mins ago
On a good day, it takes 12 hours by bus to get to Yushu from the provincial
capital, Xining, which is itself about a 1,000-mile drive from the national
capital of Beijing. As you climb south and west across the Qinghai-Tibet
plateau, urban sprawl cedes to empty steppe. Just north of Tibet, the road
opens into a small town tucked in a river valley. Its main street is lined
with vendors sell |
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d**g 发帖数: 1727 | 41 Today, NPR already had somebody said that traditional tibetan tents are much
safer. |
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m*****n 发帖数: 5245 | 42
Tibetan Monks save people.
Chinese government don't.
洗脑成功! |
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s*****d 发帖数: 619 | 43 114
If the Chinese government had not pushed the Tibetan nomads(who
traditionally live in tents) to forcibly relocate to poorly built concrete
block structures, we would be seeing far fewer numbers in casualty.
It is a sad time. Please support the petition signed by the people in the
quake area addressed to PRC President Hu Jintao and Premier Wen Jiabao to
allow the Dalai Lama into Tibet to bless the dead. Also, please help the
survivors by donating to tibetanvillageproject.org
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y**i 发帖数: 782 | 44
ordinary chinese don't read nyt, so do tibetans |
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c*******2 发帖数: 617 | 46 Thought they learned something from 2008 coverage of Tibet race riots, and
yet they continue sinking to a newer low.
After Quake, Tibetans Distrust China's Help New York Times |
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B****o 发帖数: 1393 | 47 Is it a fact?
What is the problem with that?
The tibetans donate a lot to them, just like the government collect taxes
and should do something for the people. The monks should do this.
I don't see anything special here. They just did what they should... |
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c*********k 发帖数: 4747 | 48 其主页是一个NGO non-political 的组织.
介绍的项目也都是教育医疗之类的.
它跟藏独有没有牵连? |
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i*****y 发帖数: 3449 | 49 虽然我不懂藏语,不过她说的可真是BROKEN TIBETAN,说一会就得uh um一下,我听过
她的汉语,那可是流利的和汉人没有什么区别。她根本就应该是汉人多过藏人,怎么还
这么仇恨中国呢。 |
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